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Old Nov 7th 2017, 11:33 am   #1
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Hi,
Just got pulled over for speeding, paid €50 fine.
Have a UK Licence and plates as over here looking at Places to buy.
Will i get points from DVLA?

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Old Nov 7th 2017, 12:04 pm   #2
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Hi,
Just got pulled over for speeding, paid €50 fine.
Have a UK Licence and plates as over here looking at Places to buy.
Will i get points from DVLA?

Cheers
NO. The 50 euro fine reflects a lower threshold speeding offence. Not even a resident with a Spanish licence would get points deducted for that. If its an offence that necessitates Court because of the gravity, it would have been a deposit for a non resident. Bet you were not much above the limit, which would confirm things.
Can't see any reason for you to worry, except about replacing the money! Exact thing happened to us when house hunting!

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Just out of interest............if the offense had been more serious - is there a system to connect and deduct points from a UK license?
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Not that I am aware of. BUT there is a line of communication between Spain and the DVLA to cover disqualified drivers etc. and this is used if a driving licence is not produced or theres any other good reason.As I said, if its serious, the initial fine becomes a deposit and proceedings issued.
In the UK, if a foreign driver is then convicted, and points awarded but the driver does NOT hold a UK licence, that person is 'created' in the DVLC system, allocated a UK driver number and the points recorded against this. Obviously, a more serious sanction may be given (Suspended or immediate prison for example) effective in the Country of the offence.
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Interesting stuff.....thanks.

Obviously, some inter-communication to facilitate swopping licenses.
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Interesting stuff.....thanks.

Obviously, some inter-communication to facilitate swopping licenses.
And for the GC Trafico to do roadside checks on foreign drivers. Same as the UK Police can check their foreign drivers!
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I have read that they can create a "virtual" licence to apply points to. If you offend too often and lose all the points, they can declare your UK licence invalid in Spain. They cannot actually take it away from you.

It's entirely possible for them to do this but I have never come a reported case of this happening.
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I have read that they can create a "virtual" licence to apply points to. If you offend too often and lose all the points, they can declare your UK licence invalid in Spain. They cannot actually take it away from you.

It's entirely possible for them to do this but I have never come a reported case of this happening.
Yes, Fred. As above, a foreign driver who is given points in the UK is ' created' on the DVLC system and points added to his / her UK driver number, but a Licence never issued. Can imagine its the same EU wide, with access to a joined up database for Enforcement authorities. No hiding place really!

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Yes, Fred. As above, a foreign driver whois given points in the Uk is ' created' on the DVLC system and points added to his / her UK driver number, but a Licence never issued. Can imagine its the same EU wide, with access to a joined up database for Enforcement authorities. No hiding place really!
The DGT now explains it all in english on their web :

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/tramites-...guna-multa-en/
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The DGT now explains it all in english on their web :

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/tramites-...guna-multa-en/
but that link doesn't mention points - does it?
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but that link doesn't mention points - does it?
No as the driver did not receive any points only a fine. On the subject of points this is explained in an EU Directive from March 2015 on exchange of information with the relevant sections being :

"However, due to a lack of appropriate procedures and notwithstanding existing possibilities under Council Decision 2008/615/JHA (3) and Council Decision 2008/616/JHA (4) (the ‘Prüm Decisions’), sanctions in the form of financial penalties for certain road traffic offences are often not enforced if those offences are committed with a vehicle which is registered in a Member State other than the Member State where the offence took place. This Directive aims to ensure that even in such cases, the effectiveness of the investigation of road-safety-related traffic offences should be ensured."

Basically today they do not have the technology to do it but would very much like to do so across the EU in the interests of road safety.

"A more efficient cross-border exchange of VRD ( Vehicle Registration Data ) , which should facilitate the identification of persons suspected of committing a road-safety-related traffic offence, might increase the deterrent effect and induce more cautious behaviour by the driver of a vehicle that is registered in a Member State other than the Member State of the offence, thereby preventing casualties due to road traffic accidents.
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And for the GC Trafico to do roadside checks on foreign drivers. Same as the UK Police can check their foreign drivers!
Total rubbish. the GC Trafico have access to F all at the roadside, with regard foreign drivers.

Should they require such info., they would need to go back to the office, fill out a form and fax it to UK counterparts. Then wait for a response a few days or weeks later.

Where do u dumbos get your info!!

There seems to be some "virus" affecting UK immigrants to Spain, whereby they think that the various police forces have access to everything about everybody. They have access to very little - only their own little database. They are bottom of the pile. To access info. from other agencies, they require court orders, etc. which has become even more difficult due to Data Protection Laws.

Any police that come to my partner's office demanding info on people are sent packing, to the court house.

So, no need to be looking over your shoulder - they know F All.
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So how do you explain that someone I know was stopped at the roadside in a UK reg Range Rover and informed that as he had declared it as SORN in the UK it was illegal. They impounded the car until he paid to matriculate it.
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Total rubbish. the GC Trafico have access to F all at the roadside, with regard foreign drivers.

Should they require such info., they would need to go back to the office, fill out a form and fax it to UK counterparts. Then wait for a response a few days or weeks later.

Where do u dumbos get your info!!

There seems to be some "virus" affecting UK immigrants to Spain, whereby they think that the various police forces have access to everything about everybody. They have access to very little - only their own little database. They are bottom of the pile. To access info. from other agencies, they require court orders, etc. which has become even more difficult due to Data Protection Laws.

Any police that come to my partner's office demanding info on people are sent packing, to the court house.

So, no need to be looking over your shoulder - they know F All.

It is you, my friend, that is giving the rubbish and in a very impolite way. I may be a 'UK immigrant' now, but in my 'previous' life was part of the ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers in the UK) Traffic Enforcement Group and that was part of the International TISPOL organisation (which incorporates Spain). Having spent much time on Specialist Operations involving Multi Agencies as regards Foreign Vehicles, I can tell you that databases exist where information can be downloaded on the flick of a PDA or laptop button, in real time, across the TISPOL family. Spanish GC Trafico are now so equipped with Tablets and laptops (update yourself!!), its easy now. Data protection does not apply to legitimate road side or 'moving' checks on vehicles or persons, thousands of criminals would roam the road unhindered if that was the case! Or should they wait for a fax, then?


The old system of filling forms and faxing went out in the 80's, along with the UK and EU Central Information Agencies. That's because it can now be SHARED electronically across encrypted networks. 21st Century now.........


I will NOT be drawn into any further information due to security issues and do not intend to take part in a slanging match. Remember I was a practitioner, not a speculator.


Hey, but live and learn, eh?

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It is you, my friend, that is giving the rubbish and in a very impolite way. I may be a 'UK immigrant' now, but in my 'previous' life was part of the ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers in the UK) Traffic Enforcement Group and that was part of the International TISPOL organisation (which incorporates Spain). Having spent much time on Specialist Operations involving Multi Agencies as regards Foreign Vehicles, I can tell you that databases exist where information can be downloaded on the flick of a PDA or laptop button, in real time, across the TISPOL family. Spanish GC Trafico are now so equipped with Tablets and laptops (update yourself!!), its easy now. Data protection does not apply to legitimate checks on vehicles or persons, thousands of criminals would roam the road unhindered if that was the case! Or should they wait for a fax, then?


The old system of filling forms and faxing went out in the 80's, along with the UK and EU Central Information Agencies. That's because it can now be SHARED electronically across encrypted networks. 21st Century now.........


I will NOT be drawn into any further information due to security issues and do not intend to take part in a slanging match. Remember I was a practitioner, not a speculator.


Hey, but live and learn, eh?
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