Fredbargate

Apologies to EsuriJohn the above figures should read

62.53% didn't vote for Brexit

65.27% didn't vote remain

missile

62.53% of statistics are lies

The other 65.27% are not true

Rosemary

Lies, damn lies and statistics.......Mark Twain. Still true!!!!


Rosemary

rspltd

Ah yes Rosemary but I believe it was the remoaners that first raised them to try and make their point.

MikeJ

As an opt-out from 'ever closer political union' was actually one of the key opt outs that Cameron did achieve in his negotiations then it looks like you may have voted the wrong way.

Pulaski

Yeah, well Cameron's opt-outs rather reminded me of Chamberlain's non-aggression pact with Germany. "Peace for our time." Yeah, right.

bobd22

We will never know if his opt outs would have worked given he has gone lock stock and barrel.

mrken30

Should be an interesting year with Brexit and with Trump in charge next month.

Jon-Bxl

This sort of discussion happens every time ....

Lets take a simplified example. Of the people that voted :-

40pc voted Con
30pc voted Lab
20pc voted Ldem
10pc voted other.

Lab say '60pc didnt vote for you'
Con say ' aaah but 70pc didn't vote for you, and 80pc didnt vote Ldem!'

I think most elections have this kind of 'didnt' result. With the less of the didn'ts winning and taking power, authorised by the people.

In the extreme one can criticise democracy as being a choice for the lesser of the evils. Borne out by these 'didnt' statistics. But its the best system we have vs the rest and I am happy to be a part of a modern democracy.

Whilst I understand that the 48pc are very unhappy, the 52pc won and Brexit means we will get out of the EU. It will be a tough +/-3 years to come and I'm sure we will have to make compromises... but I am glad that the democratic process went for Brexit.

Shame the lawyers are involved in what could cause a constitutional crisis. But I think common sense will prevail, and we will get on with 'getting out'

Jon

PS I don't know where the pc symbol is on my new phone!!

Jon-Bxl

On another note with the ex rate changing it may be worth looking at UK prices, which often dont change as fast.

I recently bought a phone from Amazon UK. It proved cheaper to buy in the UK with my euro credit card, pay the international postage and credit card forex charges than to buy it from my local Amazon with free delivery in Euros. Exactly the same phone. Now I do the same with other purchases.

Jon

PS Whilst I accept there is a brexit effect on the currency.... rates have changed a lot even during EU membership before any referendum talk. A result of the decision we thankfully made not to switch to the Euro.

I posted this on another thread.....

I remember a few years back, the ex rate was far 'worse' at around 1.03. The booze runs to Calais stopped. The marketing strategy of e.g Champagne + Cognac, kept the Sterling price fixed. I actually bought a bunch of Champers and Cognac to take BACK to France! (I live in the Eurozone, so bought with my Euros). Ex rates have fluctuated quite significantly during our membership and would've continued to do so had we remained. With the UK committed to Sterling vs Euro (THANKFULLY) fluctuating rates are a given. In or out. In my personal experience we bought in Spain when it was 1.45 .... and I've used a 1.03 rate for booze! So a relatively huge variation over a historically short period - all during EU membership

missile

Buy in U.K. Whilst you can. The prices of imported goods I.e. Almost everything will rise very soon. Pleased I retained my NS&I index linked savings certs😎

lutonlad

You seem to have a similar viewpoint to me on Brexit - broadly in support but acknowledging that there will be challenges. The exchange rate will probably be volatile for at least 2 years - fairly predictable and nobody should be surprised about the fact.

On a side issue. Don't you just hate politicians who try and convince us that their views represent popular opinion by saying 'what people tell me on the doorstep'. In the case of Tim Farron, I'm pretty sure that his views on the EU are just that. Not what he's 'overwhelming heard on the doorstep'.

bobd22

Yes I too get sick of hearing politicians trying to make out there views are what the public say. Let's face it although majority voted out it left an awful lot of people unhappy at the result. Just as it would had the vote gone the other way. I also get sick of those not happy simply being ridiculed for expressing their displeasure at the result. I am sure had the vote gone the other way Mr Farage and co would have simply accepted that? Was that a flying pig that just flew past. We are as a country where we are let's hope they make it work but let's respect the views of all and move on. As for currency fluctuations and using the 2008 / 2012 rates of exchange to normalise the current sharp fall . That was caused by a worldwide issue and panic. To say that the current fall is just fluctuations is to ignore that reality is simple uncertainty over our decision to leave the eu. Let's not gloss it up that is simply one of the bumps in the road we must accept.

Fredbargate

Surely if there was worldwide panic the pound should have fared no worse than other currencies?

lutonlad

Agreed. Sterling will undoubtedly continue to be hit as a result of Brexit uncertainty. I am more and more convinced that Cameron sold us down the river through his assumption that Britain would vote remain - which gave him a much weaker negotiating hand. I for one expected him to come back with something more tangible and would have been happy to vote accordingly.

Anyway, good to have an exchange of moderate views on the subject of Brexit.