MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
Brexit isn't likely to be concluded in the next 5 years, so if you're going to move, best to do it NOW. Or find some way to get citizenship in an EU member state.
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
What the OP seems to be asking is - is it possible to be officially resident so as to lead to permanent residency, without at the same time being tax resident, ie paying Spanish taxes including income tax. Perhaps OP will correct me if I'm wrong. But if that's right, I'd be interested to know that too.
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
Yes that is what I am hoping but not sure
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Thinking about isn't that much the same as in the UK's proposal re this so called settled status? If people were legally in UK they were going to allow them to stay to meet the time limit so long as EU acted reciprocaly? To be honest it is an absolute ridiculous state of affairs for us that have bought legally planning to move full time but for various reasons are unable to pre Brexit.
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
What the OP seems to be asking is - is it possible to be officially resident so as to lead to permanent residency, without at the same time being tax resident, ie paying Spanish taxes including income tax. Perhaps OP will correct me if I'm wrong. But if that's right, I'd be interested to know that too.
You could find it very difficult to comply with both criteria.
Assuming you do get round it it will be even more difficult to retain permanent residency as you can only spend a maximum of 2 years out of Spain.
Also, the 183 day rule is not the only criteria. If it is decided that your center of economic and personal interests is in Spain rather than elsewhere, then you can be deemed tax resident even though you do not spend 6 months in Spain. It really depends on what you are doing during the other 6 months. Living is a home in the UK would be considered differently to going off on holiday for the other 6 months without any permanent base in the UK.
Last edited by Fred James; Aug 4th 2017 at 3:55 pm.
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To be honest I don't think that would be too difficult for me to comply with. My only income for the time before I would move full time to Spain 18 months would be crown pensions so taxed UK anyway. Once I moved full time on reaching state pension age I would of course become tax resident as would then have state pension. That is why I wish to make myself resident but not my wife, a. Cost of two lots of private health cover and b. She still works so tax situation could be an issue / worry. Only issues really I have is obviously the S1 issue that no one knows answer to re will we that aren't using it pre Brexit get it and will my wife be able to get residency to join me after Brexit. It really is very worrying as I could spend money on this plan health care etc and still be s scuppered as there just are not answers to these important issues.
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Also if I take residency next visit Oct. Totting up days in Spain to 31 Dec I would not be liable for tax this year anyway. I suppose I could make myself tax resident next year i.e. submit tax form but would no doubt pay nothing or very little tax on crown pension. It's a quandary what to do for the best without making life too difficult and wasting more money.
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If you did that your first declaration would not be due until June 2019.
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Thanks Fred that would be after Brexit if as planned but that is earliest anyway so seems like the best or only option.
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
What the OP seems to be asking is - is it possible to be officially resident so as to lead to permanent residency, without at the same time being tax resident, ie paying Spanish taxes including income tax. Perhaps OP will correct me if I'm wrong. But if that's right, I'd be interested to know that too.
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Bob, Not trying to make things worse, but like me you would have a Govt Pension. I had to submit a Double taxation treaty form to both the UK and Madrid to 'set up' the left hand knowing what the right was doing during the previous year to my first declaration in the June, althought that declaration covered the same 'previous year' if you get my drift. The paperwork ensures that although you have to DECLARE the Gov Pension to Spain, it is TAXED in the UK, and you will be given a UK tax allowance against it. (Which works out better actually!) This is necessary because although not taxed in Spain, the Gov Pension burns into your SPANISH tax allowance when you declare any other income that IS taxable in Spain, like the old age pension. Swings and roundabouts, but the paperwork has to go in and get cleared well before the Spanish tax return goes in the following June. If you can be resident, but not tax resident until all the ducks are lined up, you can avoid all that.
Once you start the DTT process for the Gov pension, at the end you will be given a Certificate of Spanish tax residency, which again may not suit.
Bloody awkward, eh?
Once you start the DTT process for the Gov pension, at the end you will be given a Certificate of Spanish tax residency, which again may not suit.
Bloody awkward, eh?
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
Bob, Not trying to make things worse, but like me you would have a Govt Pension. I had to submit a Double taxation treaty form to both the UK and Madrid to 'set up' the left hand knowing what the right was doing during the previous year to my first declaration in the June, althought that declaration covered the same 'previous year' if you get my drift. The paperwork ensures that although you have to DECLARE the Gov Pension to Spain, it is TAXED in the UK, and you will be given a UK tax allowance against it. (Which works out better actually!) This is necessary because although not taxed in Spain, the Gov Pension burns into your SPANISH tax allowance when you declare any other income that IS taxable in Spain, like the old age pension. Swings and roundabouts, but the paperwork has to go in and get cleared well before the Spanish tax return goes in the following June. If you can be resident, but not tax resident until all the ducks are lined up, you can avoid all that.
Once you start the DTT process for the Gov pension, at the end you will be given a Certificate of Spanish tax residency, which again may not suit.
Bloody awkward, eh?
Once you start the DTT process for the Gov pension, at the end you will be given a Certificate of Spanish tax residency, which again may not suit.
Bloody awkward, eh?
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
I know, its a total bummer. I should have added that the DTT forms ask how long you have spent in Spain for the previous two years (I think) and how long for the projected next year. Anything over 183 will generate the fiscal residency cert. Have a look at them online.Quite how all this is checked, I don't know, but I kept all my flight bookings etc in readiness. Interestingly, they DID ask for my Endesa bills for the previous 2 years. I used a Gestor recommended by ex colleagues by the way.
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Re: MOVING TO SPAIN PRIOR BREXIT
I know, its a total bummer. I should have added that the DTT forms ask how long you have spent in Spain for the previous two years (I think) and how long for the projected next year. Anything over 183 will generate the fiscal residency cert. Have a look at them online.Quite how all this is checked, I don't know, but I kept all my flight bookings etc in readiness. Interestingly, they DID ask for my Endesa bills for the previous 2 years. I used a Gestor recommended by ex colleagues by the way.