Does he have a point?
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Does he have a point?
Lord Freud has commented whether disabled employees could/should be paid less.
I agree in certain circumstances.
I agree in certain circumstances.
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Re: Does he have a point?
I believe a minimum wage should apply across the board.
Having said that I could see how that may deter some employers from employing people with disabilities.
Perhaps the state should give some form of incentive to Employers to assist Employers who are willing to employ disabled people. Must be better than benefits.
Mind you wasn't it this government that closed the Remploy factories putting many disabled people out of work?
As an aside it seems to me that the minimum wage is set to low and in effect is a hidden subsidy given to Employers as many Employees on the minimum wage rely upon state benefits in addition to the minimum wage they receive.
Having said that I could see how that may deter some employers from employing people with disabilities.
Perhaps the state should give some form of incentive to Employers to assist Employers who are willing to employ disabled people. Must be better than benefits.
Mind you wasn't it this government that closed the Remploy factories putting many disabled people out of work?
As an aside it seems to me that the minimum wage is set to low and in effect is a hidden subsidy given to Employers as many Employees on the minimum wage rely upon state benefits in addition to the minimum wage they receive.
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Re: Does he have a point?
Is it - should be paid less than they currently are
or - should be paid less than an able bodied person doing the same work
or - should be paid less than the minimum wage?
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Some would require no subsidy whilst others would, this should help the employee to intigrate into society more, hopefully making their lives more rewarding.
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Re: Does he have a point?
A very sensitive subject so I´ll tread carefully.
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
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Re: Does he have a point?
A very sensitive subject so I´ll tread carefully.
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
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Re: Does he have a point?
I believe that in Australia and elsewhere they have a system where the productivity of the disabled person is measured in some way and the employee is paid what the job is worth (i.e. no value judgement about the individual) - which I think is what Lord Freud was trying to say - and that the state needed to find a way of topping it up.
There are a number of disabled people who have been priced out of the job market by the minimum wage. It is very important for a person's self respect to feel valued with a waged job.
So what Freud was trying to say, in a hamfisted way, should be applauded and not used for opportunistic political point scoring at the expense of disabled people.
There are a number of disabled people who have been priced out of the job market by the minimum wage. It is very important for a person's self respect to feel valued with a waged job.
So what Freud was trying to say, in a hamfisted way, should be applauded and not used for opportunistic political point scoring at the expense of disabled people.
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Re: Does he have a point?
A very sensitive subject so I´ll tread carefully.
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
I would only employ a person with the required skill set, be them able bodied or disabled, and provided any disability would in no way incur extra costs or work for others. This might sound harsh but as a business owner, I have a responsibility to the running of my business, myself and anyone that might work for me.
I also understand there are many jobs in the market place that simply don´t require fully able bodied people.. In such cases, the job is worth a salary that should be paid equally to any person doing the job.
With that said, isn´t the term "disabled" too much of an umbrella term for any of us to actually know what we´re talking about?
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Re: Does he have a point?
I believe that in Australia and elsewhere they have a system where the productivity of the disabled person is measured in some way and the employee is paid what the job is worth (i.e. no value judgement about the individual) - which I think is what Lord Freud was trying to say - and that the state needed to find a way of topping it up.
There are a number of disabled people who have been priced out of the job market by the minimum wage. It is very important for a person's self respect to feel valued with a waged job.
So what Freud was trying to say, in a hamfisted way, should be applauded and not used for opportunistic political point scoring at the expense of disabled people.
There are a number of disabled people who have been priced out of the job market by the minimum wage. It is very important for a person's self respect to feel valued with a waged job.
So what Freud was trying to say, in a hamfisted way, should be applauded and not used for opportunistic political point scoring at the expense of disabled people.
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Re: Does he have a point?
Actually Remploy Employment Services is still alive and well. The DWP have published plans to privatise it (whilst committing to use their services for government referrals) The direct employment business was started being phased out by the last Government in the early 2000's. When this government proposed withdrawing the subsidy then Remploy responded by closing over half the remaining factories.
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"The partner/investor will need to demonstrate the commitment, capacity and capability to continue the delivery of Work Choice and continue to grow the business in line with Remploy's mission.
"We will ensure that the Remploy pension scheme continues to be funded and that the accrued benefits of members are protected.
"Our key priority during this process will be to ensure that Remploy Employment Services becomes an independent sustainable business which continues to support disabled people in finding and remaining in employment."
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"The partner/investor will need to demonstrate the commitment, capacity and capability to continue the delivery of Work Choice and continue to grow the business in line with Remploy's mission.
"We will ensure that the Remploy pension scheme continues to be funded and that the accrued benefits of members are protected.
"Our key priority during this process will be to ensure that Remploy Employment Services becomes an independent sustainable business which continues to support disabled people in finding and remaining in employment."
Last edited by MikeJ; Oct 27th 2014 at 10:49 am.
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Re: Does he have a point?
Actually Remploy is still alive and well. The DWP have published plans to privatise it (whilst committing to use their services for government referrals) The direct employment business was phased out by the last Government in the early 2000's
Quote:
"The partner/investor will need to demonstrate the commitment, capacity and capability to continue the delivery of Work Choice and continue to grow the business in line with Remploy's mission.
"We will ensure that the Remploy pension scheme continues to be funded and that the accrued benefits of members are protected.
"Our key priority during this process will be to ensure that Remploy Employment Services becomes an independent sustainable business which continues to support disabled people in finding and remaining in employment."
Quote:
"The partner/investor will need to demonstrate the commitment, capacity and capability to continue the delivery of Work Choice and continue to grow the business in line with Remploy's mission.
"We will ensure that the Remploy pension scheme continues to be funded and that the accrued benefits of members are protected.
"Our key priority during this process will be to ensure that Remploy Employment Services becomes an independent sustainable business which continues to support disabled people in finding and remaining in employment."