Alfred Molon

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,490156,00.html
(German only, could not find an English version)

Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.

The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
15.
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Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

EvelynVogtGamble

Alfred Molon wrote:

> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
> (German only, could not find an English version)
>
> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>
> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
> 15.

And judging by the make-up and fashions worn by the average
teen-age girl nowadays, why wouldn't he believe she was as
old or older? (Unless he insisted upon seeing her passport,
how could he know for sure?)

Mustafa Sandal

On 23 Jun, 22:05, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
> (German only, could not find an English version)
>
> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>
> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
> 15.
> --
>
> Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2705318.ece

Germany demands release of boy held in Turkish jail for two months

By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Published: 25 June 2007

Germany and Turkey are heading for a diplomatic row after Berlin
formally demanded the immediate release of a 17-year-old German
schoolboy held for more than two months in a Turkish jail allegedly
for merely kissing and flirting with a 13-year-old British girl.

Marco Weiss, from the German town of Uelzen, has been held since early
April over allegations that he had sexually molested a girl from
Manchester, referred to as Charlotte M. Both were on holiday in the
southern Turkish resort town of Side.

The German media published reports yesterday that Marco was being held
in a jail with a single lavatory, which he had to share with about 30
other prisoners, in the town of Antalya. He was waiting to appear
before a court at a hearing which had been postponed until 6 July.

His parents, who were in Antalya, said that they were allowed to see
their son only once a week, when they were separated from him by a
glass screen. The German government issued a diplomatic note to Turkey
demanding the schoolboy's immediate release from prison. Peter Struck,
the family's MP, said: "I am shocked by the conditions under which he
is being held and by the way that this matter is being dealt with by
the Turkish authorities. He should be released immediately."

German reports said that the 13-year-old British girl's mother had
demanded that police intervene and arrest Marco. They said she was
seeking to prosecute the boy on charges that he had sexually molested
her daughter.

However, the boy's parents insisted that their son had merely kissed
and flirted with the girl, who had claimed to be 15 years old. They
said her 14-year-old sister was on the balcony of the same hotel room
at the time.

There was no immediate Turkish government response to Germany's
demands. However, an editorial in the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet said
the German government was "insulting the Turkish justice system".

Alfred Molon

In article <[email protected] .com>,
Mustafa Sandal says...

> However, the boy's parents insisted that their son had merely kissed
> and flirted with the girl, who had claimed to be 15 years old. They
> said her 14-year-old sister was on the balcony of the same hotel room
> at the time.

And the 14 year old sister was busy on the balcony with another guy at
the same time, according to press reports.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

Jeremyrh Geo

On 23 jun, 22:05, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
> (German only, could not find an English version)
>
> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>
> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
> 15.

Not going to help Turkey's EU application much, I would guess ...

B;

-Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 23 jun, 22:05, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
>> (German only, could not find an English version)
>>
>> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
>> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
>> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>>
>> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
>> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
>> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
>> 15.
>
>Not going to help Turkey's EU application much, I would guess ...

Abduction of a small child didn't harm Greece's application.
OTOH if rejection of Turkey is merely a racial thing as it seems to be, then it
doesn't matter what Turks do.
--

Martin

Jeremyrh Geo

On 25 jun, 13:56, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >On 23 jun, 22:05, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
> >> (German only, could not find an English version)
>
> >> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
> >> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
> >> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>
> >> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
> >> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
> >> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
> >> 15.
>
> >Not going to help Turkey's EU application much, I would guess ...
>
> Abduction of a small child didn't harm Greece's application.
> OTOH if rejection of Turkey is merely a racial thing as it seems to be, then it
> doesn't matter what Turks do.

I don't think the abduction of a child in Greece was by a legal
process, though.

Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
human rights and international law.

B;

-Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:00:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>On 25 jun, 13:56, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >On 23 jun, 22:05, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...490156,00.html
>> >> (German only, could not find an English version)
>>
>> >> Already two months in a Turkish jail for flirting with a British girl.
>> >> Not because Turkey is Islamic - because the parents of the girl
>> >> denounced him for sexually abusing their daughter.
>>
>> >> The article does not say what this 17 yr old exactly did, but I would
>> >> assume that it wasn't rape otherwise the article would have explicitely
>> >> mentioned it. The boy claims the 13 yr old girl told him she was already
>> >> 15.
>>
>> >Not going to help Turkey's EU application much, I would guess ...
>>
>> Abduction of a small child didn't harm Greece's application.
>> OTOH if rejection of Turkey is merely a racial thing as it seems to be, then it
>> doesn't matter what Turks do.
>
>I don't think the abduction of a child in Greece was by a legal
>process, though.
>
>Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
>simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
>human rights and international law.

Yeah right and Bulgaria, Rumania etc. do? Respect of International law means not
invading Cyprus to stop those of Turkish descent being murdered?
--

Martin

Mustafa Sandal

On 25 Jun, 13:36, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected] .com>,
> Mustafa Sandal says...
>
> > However, the boy's parents insisted that their son had merely kissed
> > and flirted with the girl, who had claimed to be 15 years old. They
> > said her 14-year-old sister was on the balcony of the same hotel room
> > at the time.
>
> And the 14 year old sister was busy on the balcony with another guy at
> the same time, according to press reports.
> --
>
> Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

I bet he's getting more sex than he ever imagined now

William Black

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...

> Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
> simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
> human rights and international law.

Like Bulgaria?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mustafa Shag

On 25 Jun, 14:11, Mustafa Sandal <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 25 Jun, 13:36, Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected] .com>,
> > Mustafa Sandal says...
>
> > > However, the boy's parents insisted that their son had merely kissed
> > > and flirted with the girl, who had claimed to be 15 years old. They
> > > said her 14-year-old sister was on the balcony of the same hotel room
> > > at the time.
>
> > And the 14 year old sister was busy on the balcony with another guy at
> > the same time, according to press reports.
> > --
>
> > Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de-Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe
>
> I bet he's getting more sex than he ever imagined now

I bet he's getting more sex than he ever imagined now

-Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:14:17 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>
>> Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
>> simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
>> human rights and international law.
>
>Like Bulgaria?

LOL <SNAP>
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:00:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
[]
> >Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
> >simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
> >human rights and international law.
>
> Yeah right and Bulgaria, Rumania etc. do? Respect of International law
> means not invading Cyprus to stop those of Turkish descent being murdered?

In EU terms, the invasion of Cyprus is hardly on the radar nowadays.
What _is_ is the ongoing dispute over whether Cyprus would allow EU
trading with North Cyprus (Cyprus blocked the move when it was last
tried), and whether Turkey agrees to open its ports etc. to Cyprus.
Regardless of the rights or wrongs on both sides here, no EU country
will accept a situation where one member doesn't recognise another.
Cyprus got 'in the door' first...

Racism probably has something to do with it. EU members are opposed to
Turkey joining, with Hungary, UK, and the Iberian peninsula being more
supportive- Hungary is the only one that edges over 50% support. That
could likely change in the next few years though, in Turkey's favour.
The real sticking points may not even be Cyprus- Austria supports the
entry of Turkey even _less_ than Cyprus (10% as opposed to 15%) and
they've promised to put it to a national referendum. France and Germany
support the entry of Turkey even less than Greece!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:25:58 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:00:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>[]
>> >Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
>> >simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
>> >human rights and international law.
>>
>> Yeah right and Bulgaria, Rumania etc. do? Respect of International law
>> means not invading Cyprus to stop those of Turkish descent being murdered?
>
>In EU terms, the invasion of Cyprus is hardly on the radar nowadays.
>What _is_ is the ongoing dispute over whether Cyprus would allow EU
>trading with North Cyprus (Cyprus blocked the move when it was last
>tried), and whether Turkey agrees to open its ports etc. to Cyprus.
>Regardless of the rights or wrongs on both sides here, no EU country
>will accept a situation where one member doesn't recognise another.
>Cyprus got 'in the door' first...
>
>Racism probably has something to do with it. EU members are opposed to
>Turkey joining, with Hungary, UK, and the Iberian peninsula being more
>supportive- Hungary is the only one that edges over 50% support. That
>could likely change in the next few years though, in Turkey's favour.
>The real sticking points may not even be Cyprus- Austria supports the
>entry of Turkey even _less_ than Cyprus (10% as opposed to 15%) and
>they've promised to put it to a national referendum. France and Germany
>support the entry of Turkey even less than Greece!

If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK being in
the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU.
--

Martin

Jeremyrh Geo

On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
> > Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
> > simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
> > human rights and international law.
>
> Like Bulgaria?

Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".

B;