Warmest city in Europe in February
Aug 18th 2006, 9:28 pm
#16
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Re: Warmest city in Europe in February
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>> -------------------
>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>> Paris.
>----------
>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>in France.
On paper.
>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
Yes, you are right.
>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
you are flying to French Guiana.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>> -------------------
>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>> Paris.
>----------
>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>in France.
On paper.
>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
Yes, you are right.
>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
you are flying to French Guiana.
--
Martin
Aug 18th 2006, 10:47 pm
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Re: Warmest city in Europe in February
"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>> -------------------
>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>> Paris.
>>----------
>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>>in France.
> On paper.
>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
> Yes, you are right.
>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
> you are flying to French Guiana.
> Martin
As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
the agreement:
All non-European parts of France
a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
b.. Heligoland of Germany
c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the agreement.)
d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally excluded
from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the Faroe
Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on the
other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free Movement
of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
and to the Faroe Islands.)
e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
random passport control
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>> -------------------
>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>> Paris.
>>----------
>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>>in France.
> On paper.
>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
> Yes, you are right.
>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
> you are flying to French Guiana.
> Martin
As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
the agreement:
All non-European parts of France
a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
b.. Heligoland of Germany
c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the agreement.)
d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally excluded
from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the Faroe
Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on the
other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free Movement
of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
and to the Faroe Islands.)
e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
random passport control
Aug 18th 2006, 10:57 pm
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Re: Warmest city in Europe in February
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:47:16 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>>> Paris.
>>>----------
>>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>>>in France.
>> On paper.
>>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
>> Yes, you are right.
>>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
>> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
>> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
>> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
>> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
>> you are flying to French Guiana.
>> Martin
>As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
>"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
>the agreement:
>All non-European parts of France
> a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
> b.. Heligoland of Germany
> c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the agreement.)
> d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally excluded
>from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
>association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the Faroe
>Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on the
>other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free Movement
>of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
>and to the Faroe Islands.)
> e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
>random passport control
I understood that. Schengen is travelling between countries not within
countries. If I had flown from Paramaribo to Cayenne I can understand
the need to show a passport. I started from Paris and flew to Cayenne
located in a fully integrated department of France. In fact the real
reason for showing passports is that the French were concerned about a
possible terrorist attack on the Ariane launch sites.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or, at
>>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana. They
>>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>>> Paris.
>>>----------
>>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully integrated
>>>in France.
>> On paper.
>>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send separately.
>> Yes, you are right.
>>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for passport
>>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
>> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
>> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
>> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
>> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
>> you are flying to French Guiana.
>> Martin
>As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
>"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
>the agreement:
>All non-European parts of France
> a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
> b.. Heligoland of Germany
> c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the agreement.)
> d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally excluded
>from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
>association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the Faroe
>Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on the
>other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free Movement
>of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
>and to the Faroe Islands.)
> e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
>random passport control
I understood that. Schengen is travelling between countries not within
countries. If I had flown from Paramaribo to Cayenne I can understand
the need to show a passport. I started from Paris and flew to Cayenne
located in a fully integrated department of France. In fact the real
reason for showing passports is that the French were concerned about a
possible terrorist attack on the Ariane launch sites.
--
Martin
Aug 18th 2006, 11:35 pm
#19
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Re: Warmest city in Europe in February
"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:47:16 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>news:[email protected] m...
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or,
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana.
>>>>>>>>They
>>>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>>>> Paris.
>>>>----------
>>>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully
>>>>integrated
>>>>in France.
>>> On paper.
>>>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send
>>>>separately.
>>> Yes, you are right.
>>>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for
>>>>passport
>>>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
>>> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
>>> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
>>> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
>>> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
>>> you are flying to French Guiana.
>>> Martin
>>As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
>>"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
>>the agreement:
>>All non-European parts of France
>> a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
>> b.. Heligoland of Germany
>> c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the
>> agreement.)
>> d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally
>> excluded
>>from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
>>association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the
>>Faroe
>>Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on
>>the
>>other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free
>>Movement
>>of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
>>and to the Faroe Islands.)
>> e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
>>random passport control
> I understood that. Schengen is travelling between countries not within
> countries. If I had flown from Paramaribo to Cayenne I can understand
> the need to show a passport. I started from Paris and flew to Cayenne
> located in a fully integrated department of France. In fact the real
> reason for showing passports is that the French were concerned about a
> possible terrorist attack on the Ariane launch sites.
> Martin
But it's also a requirement in the Schengen treaty to show passport when you
exit and enter the area. And those departments are outside Schengen.
So obviously Schengen isn't only about travelling between countries but
sometimes also about travelling within countries.
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:47:16 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:35:40 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>news:[email protected] m...
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:18:12 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>Lennart Petersen wrote:
>>>>>>> "Robert Rudolf" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>>Warning: This post may contain traces of sarcasm.
>>>>>>>>PGPS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>>>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>>>>>>>Well, these four destinations are technically a part of Europe (or,
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>leat, the EU): R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana.
>>>>>>>>They
>>>>>>>>might be the warmest parts of "Europe" in February.
>>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>> Does it mean that non-EU countries aren't in Europe ?
>>>>>>As noted there are parts of the EU that are not in Europe. There are
>>>>>>also countries that are in Europe that are not in the EU.
>>>>> R�union, Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana are "overseas
>>>>> territories" of France. They are not in Europe. The French control
>>>>> passports in French Guiana even when you arrive on a flight from
>>>>> Paris.
>>>>----------
>>>>Those three mentioned are not territories but departments fully
>>>>integrated
>>>>in France.
>>> On paper.
>>>>As working for the mail I'm used to the terms D.O.M and T.O.M
>>>>Departments d'Outre Mere and Territories d'Outre Mere.
>>>>D.O.M is directed directly to Paris while T.O.M must be send
>>>>separately.
>>> Yes, you are right.
>>>>So the overseas departments are Guadeloupe,Martinique and French Guiana
>>>>while the overseas territories are Mayotte,Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.
>>>>There're also a number of areas with dependency to France as French
>>>>Polynesia,New Caledonia,Wallis Futuna and others .
>>>>AFAIK the overseas departments aren't inside the Schengen area thus it's
>>>>reasonable that you've to show a passport on entry. I would guess it's
>>>>enough with an id for a French citizen. However no-one asked for
>>>>passport
>>>>on my arrival to Guadeloupe from Frankfurt.
>>> I don't have to show a passport when I fly from Paris to Toulouse. If
>>> French Guiana is really fully integrated department, rather than a
>>> colony in disguise, why does one have to show a passport when flying
>>> from Paris to Cayenne? Note that you can't buy duty free in Paris if
>>> you are flying to French Guiana.
>>> Martin
>>As I said it's likely to be related with the Schengen treaty:
>>"The following territories of the membership countries are not covered by
>>the agreement:
>>All non-European parts of France
>> a.. the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the Netherlands
>> b.. Heligoland of Germany
>> c.. Svalbard of Norway (But Jan Mayen Island is covered by the
>> agreement.)
>> d.. Greenland and the Faroe Islands of Denmark, although formally
>> excluded
>>from the Schengen area, are integrated with it. (It was laid down in the
>>association agreement with Denmark that persons travelling between the
>>Faroe
>>Islands and Greenland on the one hand, and the Schengen member states on
>>the
>>other hand, are not subject to a border check. The traditional Free
>>Movement
>>of Persons acquis of the European Community is not applicable to Greenland
>>and to the Faroe Islands.)
>> e.. Livigno of Italy is a "tax haven" and maintains customs checks and
>>random passport control
> I understood that. Schengen is travelling between countries not within
> countries. If I had flown from Paramaribo to Cayenne I can understand
> the need to show a passport. I started from Paris and flew to Cayenne
> located in a fully integrated department of France. In fact the real
> reason for showing passports is that the French were concerned about a
> possible terrorist attack on the Ariane launch sites.
> Martin
But it's also a requirement in the Schengen treaty to show passport when you
exit and enter the area. And those departments are outside Schengen.
So obviously Schengen isn't only about travelling between countries but
sometimes also about travelling within countries.
Aug 22nd 2006, 12:26 am
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PGPS wrote:
> Hi,
> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February. I wish to use the Euro
> rail for a maximum of 12hr ride one way. Any suggestions will be highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
Sicily or Cyprus
> Hi,
> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February. I wish to use the Euro
> rail for a maximum of 12hr ride one way. Any suggestions will be highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
Sicily or Cyprus
Aug 22nd 2006, 12:38 am
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"Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>PGPS wrote:
>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>Sicily or Cyprus
How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
but then, neither is Cyprus :P
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>PGPS wrote:
>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>Sicily or Cyprus
How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
but then, neither is Cyprus :P
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Aug 22nd 2006, 3:51 am
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Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>PGPS wrote:
>
>
>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>
>
>>Sicily or Cyprus
>
>
> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>
And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>PGPS wrote:
>
>
>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>
>
>>Sicily or Cyprus
>
>
> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>
And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
Aug 22nd 2006, 8:49 am
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>PGPS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>
>>
>>>Sicily or Cyprus
>>
>>
>> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>>
>And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>PGPS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>
>>
>>>Sicily or Cyprus
>>
>>
>> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>>
>And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
--
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Aug 22nd 2006, 9:13 am
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Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>PGPS wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> >>
> >>
> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> >>
> >
> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> --
> Martin
but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
in Feb.
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>PGPS wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> >>
> >>
> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> >>
> >
> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> --
> Martin
but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
in Feb.
Aug 22nd 2006, 9:59 am
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:38:35 +1000, Paul Dwerryhouse
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>>PGPS wrote:
>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>Sicily or Cyprus
>How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>but then, neither is Cyprus :P
Madeira has the warmest winter climate. It is also difficult to access
by rail :-)
This should be good for a totally pointless discussion about whether
or not Madeira is in Europe.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>>PGPS wrote:
>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>>> wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>>> degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>>Sicily or Cyprus
>How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>but then, neither is Cyprus :P
Madeira has the warmest winter climate. It is also difficult to access
by rail :-)
This should be good for a totally pointless discussion about whether
or not Madeira is in Europe.
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Aug 22nd 2006, 10:00 am
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On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>PGPS wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>> >>
>> >
>> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
>> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
>> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
>but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
>in Feb.
but is not in Europe :-)
South Australia is perfect in February.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>PGPS wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>> >>
>> >
>> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
>> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
>> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
>but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
>in Feb.
but is not in Europe :-)
South Australia is perfect in February.
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Aug 22nd 2006, 10:02 am
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Martin wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>PGPS wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
> >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> >>
> >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
> >in Feb.
> but is not in Europe :-)
> South Australia is perfect in February.
> --
>
> Martin
Gambia is a bit closer
> On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>PGPS wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
> >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
> >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
> >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
> >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> >>
> >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
> >in Feb.
> but is not in Europe :-)
> South Australia is perfect in February.
> --
>
> Martin
Gambia is a bit closer
Aug 22nd 2006, 10:43 am
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"Corgi bit me 'nads" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Martin wrote:
> > On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Martin wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> > >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>PGPS wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I
was
> > >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm
(20
> > >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get
there by rail,
> > >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be
considered
> > >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> > >>
> > >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> > >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> >
> > >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
> > >in Feb.
> >
> > but is not in Europe :-)
> >
> > South Australia is perfect in February.
> > --
> >
> > Martin
> Gambia is a bit closer
More seriously for all of 5 seconds, Marbella has surely to be the Euro
warmest in Feb?
Surreyman
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Martin wrote:
> > On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Martin wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
> > >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>PGPS wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I
was
> > >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm
(20
> > >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get
there by rail,
> > >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be
considered
> > >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
> > >>
> > >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
> > >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
> >
> > >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
> > >in Feb.
> >
> > but is not in Europe :-)
> >
> > South Australia is perfect in February.
> > --
> >
> > Martin
> Gambia is a bit closer
More seriously for all of 5 seconds, Marbella has surely to be the Euro
warmest in Feb?
Surreyman
Aug 22nd 2006, 11:11 am
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Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>South Australia is perfect in February.
Apart from being, you know, South Australia ;)
Cheers,
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>South Australia is perfect in February.
Apart from being, you know, South Australia ;)
Cheers,
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Aug 22nd 2006, 11:28 am
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On 22 Aug 2006 03:02:20 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>PGPS wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>> >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
>> >>
>> >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
>> >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
>> >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
>> >in Feb.
>> but is not in Europe :-)
>> South Australia is perfect in February.
>Gambia is a bit closer
South Australia is more pleasant.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 22 Aug 2006 02:13:59 -0700, "Corgi bit me 'nads"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:51:04 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:
>> >> >> "Kinetic" <[email protected]> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>PGPS wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> I intend to travel through europe in February of next year. I was
>> >> >>>>wondering if you can suggest a good tourist place which is warm (20
>> >> >>>>degrees centigrade or more) in mid-February.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Sicily or Cyprus
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How about Malta? Admittedly, not much good if you want to get there by rail,
>> >> >> but then, neither is Cyprus :P
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >And there is at least a small possibility that Malta could be considered
>> >> >as IN Europe while Cyprus clearly is not in Europe.
>> >>
>> >> Both Malta and Cyprus are full members of the EU.
>> >> http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm
>> >but neither very warm in Feb.........................Cape Town is warm
>> >in Feb.
>> but is not in Europe :-)
>> South Australia is perfect in February.
>Gambia is a bit closer
South Australia is more pleasant.
--
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