Bullfighting.... for and against - the moral and ethical arguments
Sep 24th 2007, 11:42 am
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Re: Bullfighting.... for and against - the moral and ethical arguments
, but have cut down substantially on dairy, also substitute Tofu for paneerI had a school friend with a mad, eccentric French mother who used to claim "Zat le hyooman ras weel neva bee seeveelised until zey stop ze eating of ze meat" - as she happily tucked into escargot & steak a la tartare...
i suffer from the same tautology between what i think & what i do...
Sep 24th 2007, 11:43 am
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Re: Bullfighting.... for and against - the moral and ethical arguments
and I will still be eating meat this evening! Its natural for us to eat it
Sep 24th 2007, 11:46 am
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Erm, probably not true. The fact that the human body includes an appendix points to our herbavorial physiology. Our dental structure is also herbivoral - our incisors would be dracula-fangs if we were natural born killers.
http://www.all-creatures.org/mhvs/nl-2003-wi-meat.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/mhvs/nl-2003-wi-meat.html
Sep 24th 2007, 11:48 am
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- Inse watch out 
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Sep 24th 2007, 11:55 am
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Erm, probably not true. The fact that the human body includes an appendix points to our herbavorial physiology. Our dental structure is also herbivoral - our incisors would be dracula-fangs if we were natural born killers.
http://www.all-creatures.org/mhvs/nl-2003-wi-meat.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/mhvs/nl-2003-wi-meat.html
we are descended from the great apes. The great apes are omnivorous.
herbivores do not have canine teeth.
that site is nothing but propaganda from ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers
Sep 24th 2007, 12:05 pm
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Re: Bullfighting.... for and against - the moral and ethical arguments
It is impossible to have a well reasoned debate on this issue because people jump on bandwagons and further entrench their opinions. As a strict vegetarian myself I really dislike it when other veggies make a political stance of it and then go about trying to convert their friends/flatmates/anyone. It does them no favours and doesn't address the real issue of sharing limited means of production.
Interesting how no-one except SYB has had anything to say in response to my earlier post on an enitrely emotion-free, engineering argument - not for giving up meat - but for moving away from extensive cattle farming that diverts SO much grain production away from humans and to cattle which in that market are just WIP (work-in-progress). I forget the statistic - some ratio of the number of calories on the plate per hectare of ground used to raise cattle compared with the same hectare producing corn for human consumption, but it's staggering. Not just land area but also water - also an astounding ratio.
But it's easier to jump on the ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers than argue the case. [sigh]
Sep 24th 2007, 12:08 pm
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this is exactly my point.
It is impossible to have a well reasoned debate on this issue because people jump on bandwagons and further entrench their opinions. As a strict vegetarian myself I really dislike it when other veggies make a political stance of it and then go about trying to convert their friends/flatmates/anyone. It does them no favours and doesn't address the real issue of sharing limited means of production.
Interesting how no-one except SYB has had anything to say in response to my earlier post on an enitrely emotion-free, engineering argument - not for giving up meat - but for moving away from extensive cattle farming that diverts SO much grain production away from humans and to cattle which in that market are just WIP (work-in-progress). I forget the statistic - some ratio of the number of calories on the plate per hectare of ground used to raise cattle compared with the same hectare producing corn for human consumption, but it's staggering. Not just land area but also water - also an astounding ratio.
But it's easier to jump on the ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers than argue the case. [sigh]
It is impossible to have a well reasoned debate on this issue because people jump on bandwagons and further entrench their opinions. As a strict vegetarian myself I really dislike it when other veggies make a political stance of it and then go about trying to convert their friends/flatmates/anyone. It does them no favours and doesn't address the real issue of sharing limited means of production.
Interesting how no-one except SYB has had anything to say in response to my earlier post on an enitrely emotion-free, engineering argument - not for giving up meat - but for moving away from extensive cattle farming that diverts SO much grain production away from humans and to cattle which in that market are just WIP (work-in-progress). I forget the statistic - some ratio of the number of calories on the plate per hectare of ground used to raise cattle compared with the same hectare producing corn for human consumption, but it's staggering. Not just land area but also water - also an astounding ratio.
But it's easier to jump on the ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers than argue the case. [sigh]
Its my job to ship the Feed-Wheat and meal products to feed the cattle!
Dont want to put myself out of a job now do I
Sep 24th 2007, 12:09 pm
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this is exactly my point.
It is impossible to have a well reasoned debate on this issue because people jump on bandwagons and further entrench their opinions. As a strict vegetarian myself I really dislike it when other veggies make a political stance of it and then go about trying to convert their friends/flatmates/anyone. It does them no favours and doesn't address the real issue of sharing limited means of production.
Interesting how no-one except SYB has had anything to say in response to my earlier post on an enitrely emotion-free, engineering argument - not for giving up meat - but for moving away from extensive cattle farming that diverts SO much grain production away from humans and to cattle which in that market are just WIP (work-in-progress). I forget the statistic - some ratio of the number of calories on the plate per hectare of ground used to raise cattle compared with the same hectare producing corn for human consumption, but it's staggering. Not just land area but also water - also an astounding ratio.
But it's easier to jump on the ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers than argue the case. [sigh]
It is impossible to have a well reasoned debate on this issue because people jump on bandwagons and further entrench their opinions. As a strict vegetarian myself I really dislike it when other veggies make a political stance of it and then go about trying to convert their friends/flatmates/anyone. It does them no favours and doesn't address the real issue of sharing limited means of production.
Interesting how no-one except SYB has had anything to say in response to my earlier post on an enitrely emotion-free, engineering argument - not for giving up meat - but for moving away from extensive cattle farming that diverts SO much grain production away from humans and to cattle which in that market are just WIP (work-in-progress). I forget the statistic - some ratio of the number of calories on the plate per hectare of ground used to raise cattle compared with the same hectare producing corn for human consumption, but it's staggering. Not just land area but also water - also an astounding ratio.
But it's easier to jump on the ill-educated hemp wearing tree-huggers than argue the case. [sigh]
But I don't think that outside of a few NGO's & under-funded government initiatives you will find people taking any more interest than a glancing bit of lip service.
Nothing will be done until the problem becomes unmanageable, and enough people (particularly first-worlders) die.