An apology to asylum seekers
Apr 20th 2014, 1:19 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
I'll take your point. Killing the problem at the source. its a good point but The reason why the vote was never definitive was that some voters believed the Sri Lankan government were in the midst of change and investigating the past would be detrimental to the effect of change.
eg the stench of politics
Even you realise what that ends up resulting in.
Apr 23rd 2014, 2:21 am
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Of course there have been boats, including boats that ended up in Darwin. What you haven't had is reporting being allowed. Add to that the illegal action of Tone in intercepting and sinking boats on the high seas (known as piracy) and it's a depressing failure, dressed up as success because they refuse to be open about events.
And then there's the international incidents.
All unforced, since the Rudd actions were the ones that were really cutting into the boat numbers.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableb...ov-29-data.jpgIf we are talking manslaughter trials, this is the one that has to happen first. Clear and continued breach of duty of care require for asylum seekers. The rap sheet is long an ignominious, including treaties, human rights, and yes, manslaughter.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-0...-death/5367118
And then there's the international incidents.
All unforced, since the Rudd actions were the ones that were really cutting into the boat numbers.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableb...ov-29-data.jpg
(you'll notice the non-zero nature of the post Sept numbers?)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-0...-death/5367118
Apr 23rd 2014, 2:24 am
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The real point is the real problem isn't susceptible to easy fixes. Even the only effective thing that's been done, Rudd's processing change, is a temporary fix. Eventually it will either be ruled illegal (which it is) or circumvented.
Real fixes require real, global, action to deal with the problem at source.
All Tone has done is make things worse by pissing off the very country that's needed to stem the trade. Bang up job there from big ears.
Real fixes require real, global, action to deal with the problem at source.
All Tone has done is make things worse by pissing off the very country that's needed to stem the trade. Bang up job there from big ears.
Apr 23rd 2014, 2:29 am
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What? Needlessly pissing off those that he needs onside, whilst achieving nothing and breaking numerous international treaties and laws in the process?
You think that's a good plan?
And if you are actually seeking to deal with the problem at source, one of the facets would be to have a proper human rights investigation into Sri Lanka and it's abuses (where many of the asylum seekers come from) rather than blocking it, as Tone has done.
You think that's a good plan?
And if you are actually seeking to deal with the problem at source, one of the facets would be to have a proper human rights investigation into Sri Lanka and it's abuses (where many of the asylum seekers come from) rather than blocking it, as Tone has done.
Apr 23rd 2014, 2:51 am
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Strangely the UN is also asking Australia to account for it's behaviour and illegal action on turning back boats that had reached Australian territorial waters.
Also - here's at least one boat that arrived : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226758561777 and another http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-0...darwin/5181346 - all of which Morrison tried to avoid mentioning. So nope, the boat evidently didn't stop getting through.
You know, it would be nice, when people on the far right are proved evidentially, wrong, if they would hold up their hand and admit they were in error.
Apr 23rd 2014, 4:13 am
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-2...eekers/5405688
Strangely the UN is also asking Australia to account for it's behaviour and illegal action on turning back boats that had reached Australian territorial waters.
Also - here's at least one boat that arrived : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226758561777 and another http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-0...darwin/5181346 - all of which Morrison tried to avoid mentioning. So nope, the boat evidently didn't stop getting through.
You know, it would be nice, when people on the far right are proved evidentially, wrong, if they would hold up their hand and admit they were in error.
Strangely the UN is also asking Australia to account for it's behaviour and illegal action on turning back boats that had reached Australian territorial waters.
Also - here's at least one boat that arrived : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226758561777 and another http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-0...darwin/5181346 - all of which Morrison tried to avoid mentioning. So nope, the boat evidently didn't stop getting through.
You know, it would be nice, when people on the far right are proved evidentially, wrong, if they would hold up their hand and admit they were in error.
Perhaps Australia should focus its asylum intake on those who have made a primary movement. Help the countries around those places that have a refugee problem. Those who have made secondary movements go to the back of the list.
Apr 23rd 2014, 4:17 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Did you overlook Scott Morrison's comment about secondary movement? Its one thing to move to a neighbouring country to escape a problem. It takes a lot more effort and money and risk to travel through many and across seas for something else entirely.
Perhaps Australia should focus its asylum intake on those who have made a primary movement. Help the countries around those places that have a refugee problem. Those who have made secondary movements go to the back of the list.
Perhaps Australia should focus its asylum intake on those who have made a primary movement. Help the countries around those places that have a refugee problem. Those who have made secondary movements go to the back of the list.
Apr 23rd 2014, 4:34 am
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You still turn back the boats ...... after all, those living in refugee camps around Syria deserve priority over those living on coast of Indonesia awaiting a person smuggler.
Apr 23rd 2014, 8:49 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-2...eekers/5405688
Strangely the UN is also asking Australia to account for it's behaviour and illegal action on turning back boats that had reached Australian territorial waters.
Also - here's at least one boat that arrived : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226758561777 and another http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-0...darwin/5181346 - all of which Morrison tried to avoid mentioning. So nope, the boat evidently didn't stop getting through.
You know, it would be nice, when people on the far right are proved evidentially, wrong, if they would hold up their hand and admit they were in error.
Strangely the UN is also asking Australia to account for it's behaviour and illegal action on turning back boats that had reached Australian territorial waters.
Also - here's at least one boat that arrived : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226758561777 and another http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-0...darwin/5181346 - all of which Morrison tried to avoid mentioning. So nope, the boat evidently didn't stop getting through.
You know, it would be nice, when people on the far right are proved evidentially, wrong, if they would hold up their hand and admit they were in error.
Really, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel now.
Apr 23rd 2014, 10:18 am
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The mating cry of the lesser spotted loser - heard when the argument has gone against them and they don't want to face the factual truth.
Australia took Japan to the international court for it's flouting of it's treaty obligation regards illegal whaling. What will Australia say when it's in the dock?
Australia took Japan to the international court for it's flouting of it's treaty obligation regards illegal whaling. What will Australia say when it's in the dock?
Apr 23rd 2014, 2:11 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
The mating cry of the lesser spotted loser - heard when the argument has gone against them and they don't want to face the factual truth.
Australia took Japan to the international court for it's flouting of it's treaty obligation regards illegal whaling. What will Australia say when it's in the dock?
Australia took Japan to the international court for it's flouting of it's treaty obligation regards illegal whaling. What will Australia say when it's in the dock?
The melodrama of the loony left! 
Apr 23rd 2014, 10:37 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
So now, we don't process as much, any current boat people who are awaiting processing are treated poorly and see their rights as asylum seekers to Australia diminish. Evidence is clear. The Australian government just have zero compassion for asylum seekers. They want to put money saved into faulty jets that we won't have for another 6 years minimum.
Apr 24th 2014, 2:35 pm
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Are not assuming you know of the reason these boat people are seeking asylum? Is it not wrong to assume that they are probably economic country shoppers and so they should be sent back? The current policy is clearly just about cost saving and not about preventing death on the ocean. After all, we saw the boat count drop directly after the policy change from Rudd. The government didn't act appropriately to see how effective that change would be. They needed to unwrap their toy and show the nation how much better theirs is without giving us a fair look at comparing them.
So now, we don't process as much, any current boat people who are awaiting processing are treated poorly and see their rights as asylum seekers to Australia diminish. Evidence is clear. The Australian government just have zero compassion for asylum seekers. They want to put money saved into faulty jets that we won't have for another 6 years minimum.
So now, we don't process as much, any current boat people who are awaiting processing are treated poorly and see their rights as asylum seekers to Australia diminish. Evidence is clear. The Australian government just have zero compassion for asylum seekers. They want to put money saved into faulty jets that we won't have for another 6 years minimum.
Apr 27th 2014, 9:37 am
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Act within the law as civilized nations around the world tend to do. There is a Senate inquiry going on at the moment into Manus Island. UNHCR have voiced strong concerns into the legality of Australia's actions and I believe a report will be out by the years end.
Odd Australia is making the most noise when the numbers were far less than Europe.
Not the say the continued detention of over one thousand minors and children behind locked gates would be classed as an assault on the rights of a child and illegal in most courts.
Odd Australia is making the most noise when the numbers were far less than Europe.
Not the say the continued detention of over one thousand minors and children behind locked gates would be classed as an assault on the rights of a child and illegal in most courts.
Apr 27th 2014, 9:38 am
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The melodrama of the loony left! http://www.zootycoonunleashed.com/ZT...ppy%20roll.gif
