Why do people live in Florida?
Sep 5th 2004, 10:29 pm
#46
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
"florian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> puzzled wrote in message
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> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
don't
> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
having
> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
explain
> > this to me.
> My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
> Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
> don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
Florida Building Code was revised in 2001, and took effect the beginning of
2002. It is very different from the Standard Building Code that it replaced
in regard to the wind load requirements. The buildings that were built
before the new code are the ones that continue to have problems. The newer
ones appear to be handling these last 2 hurricanes much better.
BTW, there is expected a major revision to the 2001 code coming out in 2005.
Without doubt, much of what we've experienced over the past month will be
looked at very carefully for inclusion in the new code. One area will
probably be the delineation of the wind-borne debris areas. Right now, at
least here in the Tampa Bay area, the requirement for shuttering of windows
is limited to a relatively small area.
Also, much of Florida construction is concrete block, not wood. People tend
to build using the locally available materials. Wood for construction is
not grown in Florida. Sand is. That is why you see brick in Georgia &
North Carolina. They have clay. Unfortunately, much of our cement comes
from China and is very limited in availability right now.
Mark T.
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> puzzled wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>. ..
> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
don't
> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
having
> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
explain
> > this to me.
> My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
> Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
> don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
Florida Building Code was revised in 2001, and took effect the beginning of
2002. It is very different from the Standard Building Code that it replaced
in regard to the wind load requirements. The buildings that were built
before the new code are the ones that continue to have problems. The newer
ones appear to be handling these last 2 hurricanes much better.
BTW, there is expected a major revision to the 2001 code coming out in 2005.
Without doubt, much of what we've experienced over the past month will be
looked at very carefully for inclusion in the new code. One area will
probably be the delineation of the wind-borne debris areas. Right now, at
least here in the Tampa Bay area, the requirement for shuttering of windows
is limited to a relatively small area.
Also, much of Florida construction is concrete block, not wood. People tend
to build using the locally available materials. Wood for construction is
not grown in Florida. Sand is. That is why you see brick in Georgia &
North Carolina. They have clay. Unfortunately, much of our cement comes
from China and is very limited in availability right now.
Mark T.
Sep 6th 2004, 12:05 am
#47
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
On 5 Sep 2004 14:44:14 -0700, [email protected] (florian) wrote:
>puzzled wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>> understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of having
>> to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone explain
>> this to me.
>My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
>Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
>don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
Most newer houses are built from Block and have been for many years.
You don't see many houses of wood, except the very old ones.
Florida's problems are rooted in its' geography - Most hurricanes
originate in the Caribbean Basin and Florida is in their path wherever
they go.
>puzzled wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>> understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of having
>> to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone explain
>> this to me.
>My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
>Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
>don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
Most newer houses are built from Block and have been for many years.
You don't see many houses of wood, except the very old ones.
Florida's problems are rooted in its' geography - Most hurricanes
originate in the Caribbean Basin and Florida is in their path wherever
they go.
Sep 6th 2004, 1:05 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
On 5 Sep 2004 14:44:14 -0700, [email protected] (florian) wrote:
>puzzled wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>> understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of having
>> to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone explain
>> this to me.
>My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
>Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
>don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
The building codes have been updated. Of course it was a day late and
a dollar short after Andrew.
The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
>puzzled wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>> understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of having
>> to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone explain
>> this to me.
>My question is can houses made from bricks and stones (like in Swiss
>Alps) instead of wood (like Florida) can survive hurricane force? I
>don`t know, but if yes, building code in Florida should be change.
The building codes have been updated. Of course it was a day late and
a dollar short after Andrew.
The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Sep 6th 2004, 1:29 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
IN-10-CITY wrote:
> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
> but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking about
the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
> but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking about
the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
Sep 6th 2004, 1:40 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
"eüphemism" <eü[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <puzzled> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
don't
> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
> having
> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
> explain
> > this to me.
> >
> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
Florida
> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
came
> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit the
> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida. Had
it
> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10 times
> worse.
> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive of
a
> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four years.
> Maybe this will stop that madness.
> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm already
out
> there - by the name of Ivan.
> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down during
> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
they
> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The shots
> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
was
> always my personal favorite.
> Ü
Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never had
to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with flea's,
earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.) All
in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are mild,
and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere in
the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
news:[email protected]...
> <puzzled> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
don't
> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
> having
> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
> explain
> > this to me.
> >
> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
Florida
> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
came
> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit the
> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida. Had
it
> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10 times
> worse.
> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive of
a
> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four years.
> Maybe this will stop that madness.
> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm already
out
> there - by the name of Ivan.
> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down during
> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
they
> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The shots
> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
was
> always my personal favorite.
> Ü
Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never had
to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with flea's,
earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.) All
in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are mild,
and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere in
the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
Sep 6th 2004, 1:44 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
jcoulter <[email protected]> wrote:
>What do you call the purchase of a home on the east side of a coastal
>highway? An investment in future ocean front property.
Depends where the coast is. I'm more used to the coast being on the
east side of the road to begin with.
>What do you call the purchase of a home on the east side of a coastal
>highway? An investment in future ocean front property.
Depends where the coast is. I'm more used to the coast being on the
east side of the road to begin with.
Sep 6th 2004, 1:47 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
"grisgrisfunk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree... Connecticut is a hazardous state to drive in, and that's an
>everyday occurence. People here only know one speed, FAST. Crazy reckless
>drivers. Once in awhile a person from Massachusetts will cross the border,
>they're even worse. We call them Massholes!
> So I agree, every state has it's hazards. I deal with them everyday on the
>road.
> Mike R.
Where do you find a road that you can speed on? Most of the time the
traffic congestion prevents it.
I grew up in CT and never knew what speeding truly was until I moved
away.
> I agree... Connecticut is a hazardous state to drive in, and that's an
>everyday occurence. People here only know one speed, FAST. Crazy reckless
>drivers. Once in awhile a person from Massachusetts will cross the border,
>they're even worse. We call them Massholes!
> So I agree, every state has it's hazards. I deal with them everyday on the
>road.
> Mike R.
Where do you find a road that you can speed on? Most of the time the
traffic congestion prevents it.
I grew up in CT and never knew what speeding truly was until I moved
away.
Sep 6th 2004, 1:54 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
IN-10-CITY <[email protected]> wrote:
>Funny, I've lived in Florida for 41 years, and the 4 or 5 houses that
>I've lived in are all still standing. The Carolinas have gotten hit
>more than we have, and they still have to deal with winter. I'd like
>to know where you live bozo.
>You probably need a lot explained to you.
The areas of NC that are actually often hit by hurricanes, not the
remnants, don't usually have much of winter. NC is a big state in an
east-west direction.
But of course you knew that.
>Funny, I've lived in Florida for 41 years, and the 4 or 5 houses that
>I've lived in are all still standing. The Carolinas have gotten hit
>more than we have, and they still have to deal with winter. I'd like
>to know where you live bozo.
>You probably need a lot explained to you.
The areas of NC that are actually often hit by hurricanes, not the
remnants, don't usually have much of winter. NC is a big state in an
east-west direction.
But of course you knew that.
Sep 6th 2004, 2:16 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "grisgrisfunk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > I agree... Connecticut is a hazardous state to drive in, and that's
an
> >everyday occurence. People here only know one speed, FAST. Crazy
reckless
> >drivers. Once in awhile a person from Massachusetts will cross the
border,
> >they're even worse. We call them Massholes!
> >
> > So I agree, every state has it's hazards. I deal with them everyday
on the
> >road.
> >
> > Mike R.
>
> Where do you find a road that you can speed on? Most of the time the
> traffic congestion prevents it.
> I grew up in CT and never knew what speeding truly was until I moved
> away.
Your kidding?!!! How long ago did you move away? Grant it, there is
traffic from time to time, but when there isn't, LOOK OUT! Have you ever
been on I95, I91, Merrit Parkway, Wilbur Cross Parkway, just to name a few,
where there isn't somebody going a 100 mph and swirving in and out of
traffic like there's some kind of emergency? Then God forbid you are not
going over 70mph, it looks like they are riding in your back seat with you!
They don't leave room for error.
There is not a day go by where I don't see a near miss or some kind of
accident due to reckless driving. There is almost an accident every day on
the Wilbur Cross at exit 59 because your suppose to yield before you get on
the highway and the car from behind rams the car that yields. I almost think
that some people here don't know what a yield sign means.
Mike R.
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> "grisgrisfunk" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > I agree... Connecticut is a hazardous state to drive in, and that's
an
> >everyday occurence. People here only know one speed, FAST. Crazy
reckless
> >drivers. Once in awhile a person from Massachusetts will cross the
border,
> >they're even worse. We call them Massholes!
> >
> > So I agree, every state has it's hazards. I deal with them everyday
on the
> >road.
> >
> > Mike R.
>
> Where do you find a road that you can speed on? Most of the time the
> traffic congestion prevents it.
> I grew up in CT and never knew what speeding truly was until I moved
> away.
Your kidding?!!! How long ago did you move away? Grant it, there is
traffic from time to time, but when there isn't, LOOK OUT! Have you ever
been on I95, I91, Merrit Parkway, Wilbur Cross Parkway, just to name a few,
where there isn't somebody going a 100 mph and swirving in and out of
traffic like there's some kind of emergency? Then God forbid you are not
going over 70mph, it looks like they are riding in your back seat with you!
They don't leave room for error.
There is not a day go by where I don't see a near miss or some kind of
accident due to reckless driving. There is almost an accident every day on
the Wilbur Cross at exit 59 because your suppose to yield before you get on
the highway and the car from behind rams the car that yields. I almost think
that some people here don't know what a yield sign means.
Mike R.
Sep 6th 2004, 2:38 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:40:55 -0700, "Richard Johnson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"eüphemism" <eü[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> <puzzled> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
>don't
>> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
>> having
>> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
>> explain
>> > this to me.
>> >
>> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
>Florida
>> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
>> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
>came
>> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit the
>> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
>> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida. Had
>it
>> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10 times
>> worse.
>> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive of
>a
>> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
>> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
>> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
>> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four years.
>> Maybe this will stop that madness.
>> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
>> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
>> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm already
>out
>> there - by the name of Ivan.
>> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down during
>> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
>they
>> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
>> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The shots
>> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
>was
>> always my personal favorite.
>> Ü
>Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never had
>to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
>dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with flea's,
>earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
>(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
>volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.) All
>in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
>But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
>(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are mild,
>and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere in
>the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
Everyone has a cross to carry - Volcanos can be a bitch but they don't
occur often (eruptions) in the CONUS. We in Sarasota have beautiful
beaches and considerable wealth - but few real jobs. We also are in
the first row on most hurricanes.
San Diego is beautiful too. My son lives there. Most of the people I
met there were too full of themselves. Very plastic. They have the
mudslides and the occasional earthquakes.
Of all the places in the USA I have been, I like Colorado Springs.
Great air, great view, great people. Can't think of a negative off
hand.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"eüphemism" <eü[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> <puzzled> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
>don't
>> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
>> having
>> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
>> explain
>> > this to me.
>> >
>> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
>Florida
>> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
>> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
>came
>> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit the
>> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
>> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida. Had
>it
>> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10 times
>> worse.
>> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive of
>a
>> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
>> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
>> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
>> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four years.
>> Maybe this will stop that madness.
>> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
>> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
>> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm already
>out
>> there - by the name of Ivan.
>> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down during
>> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
>they
>> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
>> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The shots
>> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
>was
>> always my personal favorite.
>> Ü
>Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never had
>to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
>dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with flea's,
>earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
>(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
>volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.) All
>in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
>But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
>(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are mild,
>and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere in
>the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
Everyone has a cross to carry - Volcanos can be a bitch but they don't
occur often (eruptions) in the CONUS. We in Sarasota have beautiful
beaches and considerable wealth - but few real jobs. We also are in
the first row on most hurricanes.
San Diego is beautiful too. My son lives there. Most of the people I
met there were too full of themselves. Very plastic. They have the
mudslides and the occasional earthquakes.
Of all the places in the USA I have been, I like Colorado Springs.
Great air, great view, great people. Can't think of a negative off
hand.
Sep 6th 2004, 3:30 am
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
"Budman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:40:55 -0700, "Richard Johnson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"eüphemism" <eü[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> <puzzled> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
> >don't
> >> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired
of
> >> having
> >> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
> >> explain
> >> > this to me.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
> >Florida
> >> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
> >> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
> >came
> >> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit
the
> >> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
> >> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida.
Had
> >it
> >> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10
times
> >> worse.
> >>
> >> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive
of
> >a
> >> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
> >> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
> >> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
> >>
> >> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four
years.
> >> Maybe this will stop that madness.
> >>
> >> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
> >> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
> >> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm
already
> >out
> >> there - by the name of Ivan.
> >>
> >> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down
during
> >> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
> >they
> >> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
> >> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The
shots
> >> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
> >was
> >> always my personal favorite.
> >>
> >> Ü
> >>
> >>
> >Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never
had
> >to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
> >dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with
flea's,
> >earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
> >(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
> >volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.)
All
> >in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
> >But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
> >(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are
mild,
> >and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere
in
> >the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
> >
> >
> Everyone has a cross to carry - Volcanos can be a bitch but they don't
> occur often (eruptions) in the CONUS. We in Sarasota have beautiful
> beaches and considerable wealth - but few real jobs. We also are in
> the first row on most hurricanes.
> San Diego is beautiful too. My son lives there. Most of the people I
> met there were too full of themselves. Very plastic. They have the
> mudslides and the occasional earthquakes.
> Of all the places in the USA I have been, I like Colorado Springs.
> Great air, great view, great people. Can't think of a negative off
> hand.
For San Diego you need to add the cost of living (I think they were #1 not
too long ago) and wildfires. Recall that the Dolphin-Chargers game of last
season was relocated to Arizona due to the San Diego facility being a
staging area for the relief and firefighting effort.
Ü
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:40:55 -0700, "Richard Johnson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"eüphemism" <eü[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> <puzzled> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really
> >don't
> >> > understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired
of
> >> having
> >> > to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
> >> explain
> >> > this to me.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> You should probably review the specifics with more care. I lived in
> >Florida
> >> for 25 years and endured only one hurricane - it was a Cat-1 wimp named
> >> "David" in 1979. Andrew was the only really devastating hurricane that
> >came
> >> close to where I lived - and it was terrible. It was supposed to hit
the
> >> Palm Beaches, but it never turned north and just went straight in - it
> >> actually "missed" the most major population areas of south Florida.
Had
> >it
> >> come in 50 miles further north, the damage could have easily been 10
times
> >> worse.
> >>
> >> This is the first hurricane in modern history to affect this extensive
of
> >a
> >> stretch of population. There have never been evacuations involving 2
> >> million people. This storm is "raking" the coast starting just at Ft.
> >> Lauderdale all the way up to at least Melbourne. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
> >>
> >> Property values have gone shithouse in Florida over the last four
years.
> >> Maybe this will stop that madness.
> >>
> >> This season will clearly be a modern record for the number of people
> >> directly impacted by hurricanes. The bad news is that there are three
> >> months of hurricane season remaining - and there's another storm
already
> >out
> >> there - by the name of Ivan.
> >>
> >> You may marvel at the stupidity of Floridians as they hunker down
during
> >> these storms. That's okay. They have all snickered at your expense as
> >they
> >> sat on the porch, sipping coolers and watching the coverage of those
> >> relentless winter storms that bury the north every single year. The
shots
> >> of people slowly sliding their cars into poles, walls or other vehicles
> >was
> >> always my personal favorite.
> >>
> >> Ü
> >>
> >>
> >Actually it is what you get used to. As a native San Diegan, I never
had
> >to put up with tornados, huge lighting storms, cockroachs as big as small
> >dogs, or hurricanes and heat with 100% humidity. I did put up with
flea's,
> >earthquakes, and water that would dull a knife if you tried to cut it.
> >(When making concrete you only have to use a half a bag to get the same
> >volume as normal places...OK exaggeration...but that water was hard.)
All
> >in all I would rather live in San Diego than Miami, any day of the week.
> >But Florida's waters are beautiful. I now live in the Pacific Northwest
> >(West of the Cascades). It is very beautiful here. The winters are
mild,
> >and it is a bit rainy. But almost no insects (by comparison to anywhere
in
> >the South or Northeast.). But...there are the things called volcanoes.
> >
> >
> Everyone has a cross to carry - Volcanos can be a bitch but they don't
> occur often (eruptions) in the CONUS. We in Sarasota have beautiful
> beaches and considerable wealth - but few real jobs. We also are in
> the first row on most hurricanes.
> San Diego is beautiful too. My son lives there. Most of the people I
> met there were too full of themselves. Very plastic. They have the
> mudslides and the occasional earthquakes.
> Of all the places in the USA I have been, I like Colorado Springs.
> Great air, great view, great people. Can't think of a negative off
> hand.
For San Diego you need to add the cost of living (I think they were #1 not
too long ago) and wildfires. Recall that the Dolphin-Chargers game of last
season was relocated to Arizona due to the San Diego facility being a
staging area for the relief and firefighting effort.
Ü
Sep 6th 2004, 4:30 am
#57
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
On 09/05/2004 9:29 PM Louis Boyd, committed frenium gestures and then
wrote:
> IN-10-CITY wrote:
>> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be
>> a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
>> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
> Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
> who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking
> about the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
What do safety labels have to do with insuring that a building remain
standing after a hurricane? The answer is as plain as day. Many of the
Old Town frame houses in Key West were built by Sea Captains, Wreckers
and Pirates. They didn't know anything about building land based
structures so they built the houses like ships.
During a major storm the shutters which are set into the window frame
are closed. Due to this construction they remain flush with the house.
They are secured by iron cross bars. Some have interior wood that fits
into the window frame and is also secured by iron cross bar. Front
doors are sturdy, shuttered and cross bared.
Scuppers, skylights open for ventilation, are secured just like a boat
hatch. The house itself is flexible and gives in the wind.
I've been in one of these "Victorian" frame houses during a hurricane.
They creak and groan... it's a real spooky sound. Even with battery
powered light and being on the third floor, it's like being in the belly
of an old ship. But the thing is these old Conch houses come out better
than most of their more modern neighbors. They may loose a shutter or
two, or maybe some roof shakes. These houses have weathered many a
hurricane. There's something to be learned from these grand old ladies
of Key West. Modern construction should follow the archetectual
elements that made these Key West homes last.
--
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wrote:
> IN-10-CITY wrote:
>> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be
>> a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
>> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
> Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
> who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking
> about the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
What do safety labels have to do with insuring that a building remain
standing after a hurricane? The answer is as plain as day. Many of the
Old Town frame houses in Key West were built by Sea Captains, Wreckers
and Pirates. They didn't know anything about building land based
structures so they built the houses like ships.
During a major storm the shutters which are set into the window frame
are closed. Due to this construction they remain flush with the house.
They are secured by iron cross bars. Some have interior wood that fits
into the window frame and is also secured by iron cross bar. Front
doors are sturdy, shuttered and cross bared.
Scuppers, skylights open for ventilation, are secured just like a boat
hatch. The house itself is flexible and gives in the wind.
I've been in one of these "Victorian" frame houses during a hurricane.
They creak and groan... it's a real spooky sound. Even with battery
powered light and being on the third floor, it's like being in the belly
of an old ship. But the thing is these old Conch houses come out better
than most of their more modern neighbors. They may loose a shutter or
two, or maybe some roof shakes. These houses have weathered many a
hurricane. There's something to be learned from these grand old ladies
of Key West. Modern construction should follow the archetectual
elements that made these Key West homes last.
--
________
To email me, Edit "xt" from my email address.
Brian M. Kochera
"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951
Sep 6th 2004, 7:22 am
#58
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:29:58 -0700, Louis Boyd
<[email protected]> wrote:
>IN-10-CITY wrote:
>> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
>> but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
>Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
>who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking about
>the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by
legislation. Stupidity isn't a sin, the victim can't help being
stupid.
But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is
death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically
and without pity." - Robert A. Heinlein
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
<[email protected]> wrote:
>IN-10-CITY wrote:
>> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity,
>> but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
>Safety labels are only to protect manufacturers from lawsuits. People
>who are stupid enough not to use products safely just by thinking about
>the consequences are also too dumb to comprehend the labels.
"Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by
legislation. Stupidity isn't a sin, the victim can't help being
stupid.
But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is
death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically
and without pity." - Robert A. Heinlein
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Sep 6th 2004, 1:35 pm
#59
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
Gunner wrote:
>
> "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
> miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
> demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
> Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Liberalism is *NOT* a philosophy. It is a mental disorder.
>
> "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
> miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
> demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
> Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Liberalism is *NOT* a philosophy. It is a mental disorder.
Sep 6th 2004, 3:29 pm
#60
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Re: Why do people live in Florida?
You forgot to add: Nation's 3rd largest Death Row population
Pete Platis wrote:
> <puzzled> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>>understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
>
> having
>
>>to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
>
> explain
>
>>this to me.
>
>
> Well , hurricanes are one reason but Florida has a host of others to
> stay away:
>
> 1. Cockroaches ......LOTS OF EM ( also known as "palmetto bugs" in order to
> water down the icky factor, don't be fooled though, they are just larger
> roaches......that fly........very well) and a plethora of other pests that
> you WILL come into contact with on a personal level whether you want to or
> not..........this includes scorpions and brown recluse spiders btw, both
> poisonous.
>
> 2. Staggering humidity ( well not all of florida but anything south of the
> tropical line is brutal)
>
> 3. Job market isn't so great.
>
> 4. There ain't no mountains, not a one!. There has basically GOT to be
> something wrong with that. In fact , the highest point in the state is only
> a measely *345* feet high!.
>
> 5. Swamps........hell most of the state is a swamp.
>
> 6. Highest percentage of over 80 year olds behind the wheel of a
> car.......THAT can't be a good thing.
>
> 7. Alot of white trash, yeah I know that can be found in alot of states.
> Just seems worse in Florida for some reason though.
>
> 8. Basically Florida has one or 2 seasons, depending on where you live in
> the state. For a 4 season kinda guy like me , not a good thing.
>
> 9. Alligators coming into contact with people in or near their homes,
> killing or maiming them and/or their pets. It's not a good thing. Been
> happening more frequently too.
>
>
> 10. FLORIDIANS ARE VOTING-MACHINE CHALLENGED.
>
>
> In case any of you are wondering, yeah I spent a couple of years in that
> awful state.
>
>
> Enjoy the remainder of your evening.
>
>
>
>
>
Pete Platis wrote:
> <puzzled> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>A massive hurricane seems to hit Florida every few years. I really don't
>>understand why people continue to live there. Don't they get tired of
>
> having
>
>>to evacuate every summer, and having their houses destroyed? Someone
>
> explain
>
>>this to me.
>
>
> Well , hurricanes are one reason but Florida has a host of others to
> stay away:
>
> 1. Cockroaches ......LOTS OF EM ( also known as "palmetto bugs" in order to
> water down the icky factor, don't be fooled though, they are just larger
> roaches......that fly........very well) and a plethora of other pests that
> you WILL come into contact with on a personal level whether you want to or
> not..........this includes scorpions and brown recluse spiders btw, both
> poisonous.
>
> 2. Staggering humidity ( well not all of florida but anything south of the
> tropical line is brutal)
>
> 3. Job market isn't so great.
>
> 4. There ain't no mountains, not a one!. There has basically GOT to be
> something wrong with that. In fact , the highest point in the state is only
> a measely *345* feet high!.
>
> 5. Swamps........hell most of the state is a swamp.
>
> 6. Highest percentage of over 80 year olds behind the wheel of a
> car.......THAT can't be a good thing.
>
> 7. Alot of white trash, yeah I know that can be found in alot of states.
> Just seems worse in Florida for some reason though.
>
> 8. Basically Florida has one or 2 seasons, depending on where you live in
> the state. For a 4 season kinda guy like me , not a good thing.
>
> 9. Alligators coming into contact with people in or near their homes,
> killing or maiming them and/or their pets. It's not a good thing. Been
> happening more frequently too.
>
>
> 10. FLORIDIANS ARE VOTING-MACHINE CHALLENGED.
>
>
> In case any of you are wondering, yeah I spent a couple of years in that
> awful state.
>
>
> Enjoy the remainder of your evening.
>
>
>
>
>