US and Canadian Citizenship
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Re: US and Canadian Citizenship
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/a...mployers.shtml
Employers' Responsibilities At A Glance
- Ask for the SIN of new employees within three days of when they start their employment.
- Ensure that any employees that have a SIN beginning with the number “9” are authorized to work in Canada.
- Protect your employee's SIN and personnel records.
- Inform Service Canada if you suspect that a SIN is being used fraudulently.
#32
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At least that's what happened last time I tried. Possibly they've now got to the point of using a touch tone system, oooh.
#33
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The most you can do with a significant degree of hassle is verify that the SIN is in fact real. Given I was on the phone for ages doing it for one single person I can guarantee it happens rarely.
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As far as I can tell, yes. There isn't even an equivalent to the SSN verification system as there is in the US, (and all that does is tell you if the SSN is real) - forget about the even more sophisticated systems like E-verify. You actually have to phone up an actual person who then passes you onto the CRA who then asks for the companies business number and then will at least tell you if the SIN is real. There's no automation.
At least that's what happened last time I tried. Possibly they've now got to the point of using a touch tone system, oooh.
At least that's what happened last time I tried. Possibly they've now got to the point of using a touch tone system, oooh.
Last edited by MarylandNed; Feb 25th 2014 at 4:55 pm.
#35
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That's DHS SAVE, I'm talking about the SSN verification system, it's basically a way of linking your payroll to the SSA so you can verify that the payee is associated with a real SSN. Maybe they've linked it to DHS SAVE as well now but I don't think so, that's what the I-9 and E-verify are for.
You can't even do that in Canada, you have to manually check the SIN is real.
This is the point though, there are umpteen checks in the US, so many people get confused as to which one is which, SSN verification, DHS SAVE, E-verify, I-9, etc.
In Canada there's a guy on the end of the phone after you press option "3".
You can't even do that in Canada, you have to manually check the SIN is real.
This is the point though, there are umpteen checks in the US, so many people get confused as to which one is which, SSN verification, DHS SAVE, E-verify, I-9, etc.
In Canada there's a guy on the end of the phone after you press option "3".
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That's DHS SAVE, I'm talking about the SSN verification system, it's basically a way of linking your payroll to the SSA so you can verify that the payee is associated with a real SSN. Maybe they've linked it to DHS SAVE as well now but I don't think so, that's what the I-9 and E-verify are for.
You can't even do that in Canada, you have to manually check the SIN is real.
This is the point though, there are umpteen checks in the US, so many people get confused as to which one is which, SSN verification, DHS SAVE, E-verify, I-9, etc.
In Canada there's a guy on the end of the phone after you press option "3".
You can't even do that in Canada, you have to manually check the SIN is real.
This is the point though, there are umpteen checks in the US, so many people get confused as to which one is which, SSN verification, DHS SAVE, E-verify, I-9, etc.
In Canada there's a guy on the end of the phone after you press option "3".
Last edited by MarylandNed; Feb 25th 2014 at 5:56 pm.
#37
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The SSA use DHS SAVE. So when you file an SS-5 that's what they look you up with. That's where the immigration status is stored and the federal student loan system also uses DHS SAVE. http://www.uscis.gov/save
The SSN Verification System is used for payroll purposes: https://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnv.htm That is run by the SSA.
So no they don't check immigration status. Not with that system anyway.
The SSN Verification System is used for payroll purposes: https://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnv.htm That is run by the SSA.
only for wage reporting (Form W-2) purposes
#38
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I assume you've seen this in the news: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...ower-1.2617897
Basically CBC looking for a story, but if you read the guidance to retailers and the BC privacy case they quote, it says in great detail what the Alberta privacy commissioner told me over the phone - you can ASK to see ID but they don't have to give it unless it is "necessary". So if you went to test drive a car, they can ask to see your DL because that's "necessary" but they cannot keep a copy of it.
Same thing applies to hiring people. You can't compel them to produce ID unless it's "necessary" which producing your SIN would be.
Moreover, even IF you have a "necessary" reason you have to have a regime in place to dispose of the information after a period of time, basically when a "reasonable person" would deem it to be no longer "necessary" to retain the information.
Basically CBC looking for a story, but if you read the guidance to retailers and the BC privacy case they quote, it says in great detail what the Alberta privacy commissioner told me over the phone - you can ASK to see ID but they don't have to give it unless it is "necessary". So if you went to test drive a car, they can ask to see your DL because that's "necessary" but they cannot keep a copy of it.
Same thing applies to hiring people. You can't compel them to produce ID unless it's "necessary" which producing your SIN would be.
Moreover, even IF you have a "necessary" reason you have to have a regime in place to dispose of the information after a period of time, basically when a "reasonable person" would deem it to be no longer "necessary" to retain the information.
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Re: US and Canadian Citizenship
I assume you've seen this in the news: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...ower-1.2617897
Basically CBC looking for a story, but if you read the guidance to retailers and the BC privacy case they quote, it says in great detail what the Alberta privacy commissioner told me over the phone - you can ASK to see ID but they don't have to give it unless it is "necessary". So if you went to test drive a car, they can ask to see your DL because that's "necessary" but they cannot keep a copy of it.
Same thing applies to hiring people. You can't compel them to produce ID unless it's "necessary" which producing your SIN would be.
Moreover, even IF you have a "necessary" reason you have to have a regime in place to dispose of the information after a period of time, basically when a "reasonable person" would deem it to be no longer "necessary" to retain the information.
Basically CBC looking for a story, but if you read the guidance to retailers and the BC privacy case they quote, it says in great detail what the Alberta privacy commissioner told me over the phone - you can ASK to see ID but they don't have to give it unless it is "necessary". So if you went to test drive a car, they can ask to see your DL because that's "necessary" but they cannot keep a copy of it.
Same thing applies to hiring people. You can't compel them to produce ID unless it's "necessary" which producing your SIN would be.
Moreover, even IF you have a "necessary" reason you have to have a regime in place to dispose of the information after a period of time, basically when a "reasonable person" would deem it to be no longer "necessary" to retain the information.
But for an employer, eh the background checks many places to now are more intrusive then showing some ID ever will be.