Permanent Move to Scotland
Apr 8th 2014, 12:25 pm
#46
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
Plus that link I gave shows previous years too.
Your statement "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" was incorrect. It's been non-EUs who have been "By far the largest volume [to the UK] over the past decade".
Hence why the door to the easy to get UK visas, has been slammed shut.
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Apr 8th 2014, 3:23 pm
#47
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
But, as I have already said, there is now an annual welfare cap which seems to have been capped at our present annual welfare bill. What financial support is available now, may not continue to be there and this cap has to be factored in if the OP is short of money in her retirement.
All claimants will have to share what is left of the annual cap after the annual state pensions are deducted and whatever out of work benefits they want to protect too. i.e. Jobseekers. Neither of which the OP will qualify for.
All claimants will have to share what is left of the annual cap after the annual state pensions are deducted and whatever out of work benefits they want to protect too. i.e. Jobseekers. Neither of which the OP will qualify for.
I can entirely understand it though as I do recall reading that government is to reduce the handouts to those able bodied who are not willing to seek employment.
In that case Rosalina would need to have some kind of independent plan to meet any shortfall in her financial requirements.
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Apr 8th 2014, 3:52 pm
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
Things seem to be changing so much recently that even setting aside the Scottish independence debate, statements about who is likely to be entitled to what benefits is likely to be incorrect in a couple of years, and then incorrect again 2 years after that. Just look at what has happened to the state pension.
I think the bottom line, however is that it is unlikely that someone living in the UK would be allowed to become destitute. Certainly less likely than in the US.
A lot of the scare stories regarding benefits has been to do with tightening up on people unfairly claiming benefits. If you are physically capable of working but unwilling to work it is becoming more difficult to claim benefits.
Unfortunately, some deserving people are getting caught up (such as people with disabilities being caught by the removal of the additional room subsidy if they need an additional bedroom for a spouse, or for equipment).
I think the bottom line, however is that it is unlikely that someone living in the UK would be allowed to become destitute. Certainly less likely than in the US.
A lot of the scare stories regarding benefits has been to do with tightening up on people unfairly claiming benefits. If you are physically capable of working but unwilling to work it is becoming more difficult to claim benefits.
Unfortunately, some deserving people are getting caught up (such as people with disabilities being caught by the removal of the additional room subsidy if they need an additional bedroom for a spouse, or for equipment).
Apr 9th 2014, 4:07 am
#49
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
You need to read what I quoted. The words INCREASE and DECREASE for instance, are a guide.
Plus that link I gave shows previous years too.
Your statement "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" was incorrect. It's been non-EUs who have been "By far the largest volume [to the UK] over the past decade".
Hence why the door to the easy to get UK visas, has been slammed shut.
Plus that link I gave shows previous years too.
Your statement "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" was incorrect. It's been non-EUs who have been "By far the largest volume [to the UK] over the past decade".
Hence why the door to the easy to get UK visas, has been slammed shut.
Apr 10th 2014, 9:02 am
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
You obviously have your own agenda for wanting to believe "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" but that is not what the UK government figures show. Even the most recent count showed it was still those using the non-EU route who are "the largest volume" but that there is a decrease in those numbers as the easy routes to settlement for those not skilled at anything much, are now closed or amended.
The DECREASE in those non-EU numbers student numbers is mainly because although the student visa route itself was never a route to UK cizitenship, many of those who came to study in the UK found it easy to use it as such, in a variety of different ways. The UK have now blocked those routes to citizenship with the amendment of some visas and the closure of other routes. Now only those students who are the brightest and best can stay and the others have to go back home.
You only have to look at the boards where they are talking about the blocks or launching appeals to give themselves more time in the UK, to see how many students thought they could get a UK passport if they just came to the UK to study. Yet it never was a path to citizenship.
More changes (welfare; NHS; new visas; tax breaks) will make the UK less attractive to those who are not going to contribute anything much to the UK and more attrative to those who will.
As to the EU route that many EUs and non-EUs use to get to the UK, time will tell.
Last edited by formula; Apr 10th 2014 at 9:08 am.
Apr 10th 2014, 7:39 pm
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
Many use the EU route to study in the UK too.
You obviously have your own agenda for wanting to believe "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" but that is not what the UK government figures show. Even the most recent count showed it was still those using the non-EU route who are "the largest volume" but that there is a decrease in those numbers as the easy routes to settlement for those not skilled at anything much, are now closed or amended.
The DECREASE in those non-EU numbers student numbers is mainly because although the student visa route itself was never a route to UK cizitenship, many of those who came to study in the UK found it easy to use it as such, in a variety of different ways. The UK have now blocked those routes to citizenship with the amendment of some visas and the closure of other routes. Now only those students who are the brightest and best can stay and the others have to go back home.
You only have to look at the boards where they are talking about the blocks or launching appeals to give themselves more time in the UK, to see how many students thought they could get a UK passport if they just came to the UK to study. Yet it never was a path to citizenship.
More changes (welfare; NHS; new visas; tax breaks) will make the UK less attractive to those who are not going to contribute anything much to the UK and more attrative to those who will.
As to the EU route that many EUs and non-EUs use to get to the UK, time will tell.
You obviously have your own agenda for wanting to believe "By far the largest volume over the past decade have been EU citizens" but that is not what the UK government figures show. Even the most recent count showed it was still those using the non-EU route who are "the largest volume" but that there is a decrease in those numbers as the easy routes to settlement for those not skilled at anything much, are now closed or amended.
The DECREASE in those non-EU numbers student numbers is mainly because although the student visa route itself was never a route to UK cizitenship, many of those who came to study in the UK found it easy to use it as such, in a variety of different ways. The UK have now blocked those routes to citizenship with the amendment of some visas and the closure of other routes. Now only those students who are the brightest and best can stay and the others have to go back home.
You only have to look at the boards where they are talking about the blocks or launching appeals to give themselves more time in the UK, to see how many students thought they could get a UK passport if they just came to the UK to study. Yet it never was a path to citizenship.
More changes (welfare; NHS; new visas; tax breaks) will make the UK less attractive to those who are not going to contribute anything much to the UK and more attrative to those who will.
As to the EU route that many EUs and non-EUs use to get to the UK, time will tell.
Labour have done a lot to import voters over the last decade
Apr 10th 2014, 11:20 pm
#52
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
I do hope you are right Dunroving. Glad you are no longer 'Undecided' that White Paper is just a farce. I think there would be civil war if people who had voted to stay in UK were forced to give up UK citizenship but it is not clear. I am English living in Scotland and so do not think I can be forced either way. I would leave Scotland if I had to. It will be an economic disaster if the YES vote wins. I don't want dual nationality anyway just want to be British English.
Apr 14th 2014, 10:04 pm
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Re: Permanent Move to Scotland
How will the Scots have a UK passport if they cease to be a member of the UK?
Their leaving the UK will mean their leaving of the EU, the EU have made that clear. That will stop Scots using the EU freedom of movement rights to live and work in other EU countries. Spain will always veto any attempt Scotland makes to join the EU and the EU have already made it clear to Scotland that all EU countries have to agree to allow a country to join.
As they will no longer be a member of the EU and won't be able to join the EU, I assume that the Scottish government would then have to try to work something out with the UK government if they want Scots to be able to work/live in the UK? Or work out a deal with other EU countries as a separate agreement?
Perhaps more relevant to those relying on benefits, is to be aware of the capping of the UK's annual welfare budget that has just been approved in parliament by all the political parties. The welfare bill has been growing at an alarming rate and it's a bill the UK taxpayer doesn't have the money (or the appetite) to keep funding.
The welfare bill has been cappped at it's present annual amount, which will mean that there will be benefit reductions to keep to the welfare cap. Only the UK State Pension (to be £135 per week) and Jobseeker's Allowance (£71 per week) amounts will be protected and both of these have already had the rules changed so that many who hoped to claim them, will now not be able to (the new rules will not affect those who have contributed to the UK). Even though the JSA amount is protected, the potential is still there for future governments to restrict those who can claim JSA.
Their leaving the UK will mean their leaving of the EU, the EU have made that clear. That will stop Scots using the EU freedom of movement rights to live and work in other EU countries. Spain will always veto any attempt Scotland makes to join the EU and the EU have already made it clear to Scotland that all EU countries have to agree to allow a country to join.
As they will no longer be a member of the EU and won't be able to join the EU, I assume that the Scottish government would then have to try to work something out with the UK government if they want Scots to be able to work/live in the UK? Or work out a deal with other EU countries as a separate agreement?
Perhaps more relevant to those relying on benefits, is to be aware of the capping of the UK's annual welfare budget that has just been approved in parliament by all the political parties. The welfare bill has been growing at an alarming rate and it's a bill the UK taxpayer doesn't have the money (or the appetite) to keep funding.
The welfare bill has been cappped at it's present annual amount, which will mean that there will be benefit reductions to keep to the welfare cap. Only the UK State Pension (to be £135 per week) and Jobseeker's Allowance (£71 per week) amounts will be protected and both of these have already had the rules changed so that many who hoped to claim them, will now not be able to (the new rules will not affect those who have contributed to the UK). Even though the JSA amount is protected, the potential is still there for future governments to restrict those who can claim JSA.
