uk benifits?
#76
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W1.732 When capital has been used to repay a debt, give careful consideration as to whether the debt needed to be repaid at that time. If there was no legal obligation to do so then it may be that part of ther claimant's purpose was to obtain or increase the amount of benefit."[/I]
Which is what all the advisors on the forums tell people when they want to pay off debts such as credit card bills. There is no legal obligation to pay off that debt.
Appeals Tribunal Chairman: "So, what's your justification for deciding the applicant deprived himself of the capital?"
Presenting Officer (on behalf of the Decision Maker): "Well it was on all the fourms Mr Chairman."
#77
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That's what I said in the post above yours.
However, encouraging people to pay off debts when "there was no legal obligation to do so" means that the claimant is taking a gamble with any income based benefits they were hoping to receive; unless they have proof that DWP staff told them to do that.
However, encouraging people to pay off debts when "there was no legal obligation to do so" means that the claimant is taking a gamble with any income based benefits they were hoping to receive; unless they have proof that DWP staff told them to do that.
#78
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The "staff at the desks" have never had the authority to make decisions regarding a person's eligibilty for benefits. They are there to undertake the initial interview, gather information and pass it along to another member of staff (usually hidden away from public view, and not allowed to interact with the public), who should have been trained to understand the numerous rules and regulations.....and believe me, they are numerous. So don't sneer at something you obviously don't uderstand.
My inside knowledge of the machinations of the benefits system is what has jaded my view on those who seek to, and succeed in, abusing what should be a safety net for those genuinely in need.
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I think you will find that they use their manual as their guide.
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The "staff at the desks" have never had the authority to make decisions regarding a person's eligibilty for benefits. They are there to undertake the initial interview, gather information and pass it along to another member of staff (usually hidden away from public view, and not allowed to interact with the public), who should have been trained to understand the numerous rules and regulations.....and believe me, they are numerous. So don't sneer at something you obviously don't uderstand.
#82
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Formula, I think you need to remember what prompted this discussion where you expressed surprise that benefits were in payment.
Namely the family that lived half way across the world where the children stayed and the poster ensured they had a roof over their heads while the parents divorced and one parent returned to the UK, with all the factors that entailed.
Some months down the road, having resettled but not managing to find work a benefit claim was made.
And you think that in all this the predominant or even significant intention was to get benefit.
Good luck proving that because the onus of proof would be on you as the decision maker.
Namely the family that lived half way across the world where the children stayed and the poster ensured they had a roof over their heads while the parents divorced and one parent returned to the UK, with all the factors that entailed.
Some months down the road, having resettled but not managing to find work a benefit claim was made.
And you think that in all this the predominant or even significant intention was to get benefit.
Good luck proving that because the onus of proof would be on you as the decision maker.
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To help with that decision; if the claimant has proof in writing that the DWP encouraged them to pay off all their debts, then that would help the decision maker with W1.740 (on the link I gave above). ie the DWP/HB staff encouraged them in writing to pay off their credit card and then W1.740 helps the decision maker as the claimant did not know this would affect their entitlement to income based benefits.
#84
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I wish it was only these people. There are plenty coming into the country and wanting benefits and/or free NHS, even though they haven't paid any taxes/or not much in taxes, to the UK.
Some people even plan to retire to the UK for free healthcare, when they have been paying their taxes to another country for most of their working years.
Some people even plan to retire to the UK for free healthcare, when they have been paying their taxes to another country for most of their working years.
And as for checking a box for having owned a home, I never owned a home.. my husband owned a home he paid every penny/cent of the mortgage.
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Formula, I think you need to remember what prompted this discussion where you expressed surprise that benefits were in payment.
Namely the family that lived half way across the world where the children stayed and the poster ensured they had a roof over their heads while the parents divorced and one parent returned to the UK, with all the factors that entailed.
Some months down the road, having resettled but not managing to find work a benefit claim was made.
And you think that in all this the predominant or even significant intention was to get benefit.
Good luck proving that because the onus of proof would be on you as the decision maker.
Namely the family that lived half way across the world where the children stayed and the poster ensured they had a roof over their heads while the parents divorced and one parent returned to the UK, with all the factors that entailed.
Some months down the road, having resettled but not managing to find work a benefit claim was made.
And you think that in all this the predominant or even significant intention was to get benefit.
Good luck proving that because the onus of proof would be on you as the decision maker.
#87
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It's not for the applicant to prove. The Onus of Proof is for the decision maker.
You seem to be confusing proof and making a decision.
#88
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Do you rewrite other history in your spare time as well?
Your first post on the subject was:
I still can't work out how you get UK housing benefits when you own a house in the US. Even by signing it over for nothing, you would be depriving yourself of your assets and therefore be entitled to £0 of any UK welfare payments, as you would be deemed as still having that money (even if you never received it).
#89
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Well not exactly because I dont recall that being a question "Did I ever own a home" but if it were then I would have said No, I did not fill in the form the woman behind the counter did.
#90
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I wish it was only these people. There are plenty coming into the country and wanting benefits and/or free NHS, even though they haven't paid any taxes/or not much in taxes, to the UK.
Some people even plan to retire to the UK for free healthcare, when they have been paying their taxes to another country for most of their working years.
Some people even plan to retire to the UK for free healthcare, when they have been paying their taxes to another country for most of their working years.
There are lots coming to this country wanting benefits and free NHS who weren't born here, some posters don't see a difference between the two categories, some of us do......