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Old Jul 2nd 2009 | 4:32 am
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Originally Posted by Kan-conned
423 signed to date
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes

I feel we should TRY and truly break the target to show our strength and opinion so lets not get to complacent

May I ask you, ALL have you emailed your MP, MEP and local councillors to sign ? if you have and they haven't signed ASK THEM WHY NOT they do represent you !

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He has put in the reference to the reply from No. 10 to last years petition. and pointing people to the new one for signature.

*I think it would be a good idea for those that received yesterdays red herring ( sorry Downing St reply) to reply back to the statement asking WHY they have sent it now and WHY have they sent OLD and INACCURATE information

To the mods; as this information regarding the petition is so important can *this idea also be posted on Buyer Beware and Todays Newspapers ?

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Old Jul 3rd 2009 | 3:57 am
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Thanks again to Eddie www.goanvoice.org.uk
He has put in the reference to the reply from No. 10 to last years petition. and pointing people to the new one for signature.

*I think it would be a good idea for those that received yesterdays red herring ( sorry Downing St reply) to reply back to the statement asking WHY they have sent it now and WHY have they sent OLD and INACCURATE information

To the mods; as this information regarding the petition is so important can *this idea also be posted on Buyer Beware and Todays Newspapers ?

Thanks

(getting good at this Hemingway!!)
Dear *****,


I'm a Bombay-based freelancer who writes the letter from Mumbai column in the Evening Standard. I'm interested in doing a feature or news story in the Evening Standard about the Goan authorities' actions.


Could you give me a ring on 00919920543869 to chat about it,


Also, if there are any other Brits (London connection a bonus) who are in a similar predicament, please ring me on the same number.


Yours,


Richard

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Old Jul 3rd 2009 | 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by noni
Dear *****,


I'm a Bombay-based freelancer who writes the letter from Mumbai column in the Evening Standard. I'm interested in doing a feature or news story in the Evening Standard about the Goan authorities' actions.


Could you give me a ring on 00919920543869 to chat about it,


Also, if there are any other Brits (London connection a bonus) who are in a similar predicament, please ring me on the same number.


Yours,


Richard

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Hi all,

I'm sure there are plenty of us who wishes to speak to Richard

If you are worried about the cost dial either 0844 861 6262 or 0844 861 2828 listen to the instructions then key in Richards mobile using 0091 etc
The cost on this ( you will be advised at point of call )will be 1p per minute

K-C

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Old Jul 3rd 2009 | 10:18 pm
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Have a look at this link:

http://www.knightknox.com/Property_s...&Submit=Search

I wonder how much serious interest this company is attracting in it's Goan properties for sale.

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Originally Posted by hemingway
Have a look at this link:

http://www.knightknox.com/Property_s...&Submit=Search

I wonder how much serious interest this company is attracting in it's Goan properties for sale.

Regards

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This company is also advertising property for sale in Goa www.property-abroad.com I receive a couple of e-mails each week from them
 
Old Jul 4th 2009 | 12:15 am
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Odd that this company are advertising. For those who remember the Radio 4
Broadcast in July 2008, one Mr Knight of KKI stated that as a result of the "You and Yours" investigations, his company would suspend selling property in Goa. Are they still selling to foreign nationals?
 
Old Jul 4th 2009 | 2:09 am
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Hi All,

Has anybody or knows of anybody who has had their INDIAN VISA refused or had entry into Goa denied ? ( Apart from Douglas)

Please PM me for security reasons

Thanks

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Old Jul 5th 2009 | 12:35 am
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...rbi-norms.html

Goa government denies that foreigners in the state were being targeted

Cases under probe flouted RBI norms

Devika Sequeira, Panaji:

The Goa government has said that over 400 cases of property deals by foreigners that have been referred to the Directorate of Enforcement have flouted RBI norms and would face action leading possibly to confiscation of properties.

The government also refuted the contention of the British authorities that a new amendment to the Registration Act 1908 was being used retrospectively to target foreigners who have acquired properties in Goa. The amendment has not yet come into force, they said.

Responding to a petition sent to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the UK government said: “We have made clear to the state authorities in Goa that we would be extremely concerned if there were to be any question of property acquired legally by British nationals being expropriated through the retrospective application of any new legislation.
We have also raised this as a matter of concern with the Indian government in Delhi.”
Alarmed by the pace of property acquisitions in Goa by foreigners, most of them here on mere tourist visas, the Goa Assembly last year passed an amendment to the Registration Act 1908 to empower registrars to scrutinise documents. But the amendment, which requires presidential assent, has not yet come into force, Joint Secretary (Debt Management Unit) Anupam Kishore told Deccan Herald. He said only those cases that had flouted the Foreign Exchange Mangement Act had been referred to the DoE for action. There is prima facie evidence of FEMA contravention in these cases. These will be investigated in a legal manner. Properties legally acquired were not being touched at all, he said.

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Some 380 British nationals have been served notices that their property may be confiscated by the Goa government, the petition to Brown said. A second petition asks the UK PM to aproach the Indian Government to ensure that the DoE acts judiciously when investigating alleged infringements of FEMA and is not being used to harass foreign nationals who have bought property in Goa.

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Copyright Devika Sequeira, Panaji 2009, The Printers (Mysore) Private Ltd., 75, M.G Road, Post Box 5331, Banglore - 560001

Please add your signature to the 10 Downing Street petition :

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes/


Thanks again to Eddie Fernandes, www.goanvoice.org.uk for clarification on the article above;

[Ed: The Goa Govt should have carried out investigations and referrals before granting sale deeds. The retrospective action arises in seeking to take action after the event.].

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Old Jul 5th 2009 | 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by babu1
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...rbi-norms.html

Goa government denies that foreigners in the state were being targeted

Cases under probe flouted RBI norms

Devika Sequeira, Panaji:

The Goa government has said that over 400 cases of property deals by foreigners that have been referred to the Directorate of Enforcement have flouted RBI norms and would face action leading possibly to confiscation of properties.

The government also refuted the contention of the British authorities that a new amendment to the Registration Act 1908 was being used retrospectively to target foreigners who have acquired properties in Goa. The amendment has not yet come into force, they said.

Responding to a petition sent to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the UK government said: “We have made clear to the state authorities in Goa that we would be extremely concerned if there were to be any question of property acquired legally by British nationals being expropriated through the retrospective application of any new legislation.
We have also raised this as a matter of concern with the Indian government in Delhi.”
Alarmed by the pace of property acquisitions in Goa by foreigners, most of them here on mere tourist visas, the Goa Assembly last year passed an amendment to the Registration Act 1908 to empower registrars to scrutinise documents. But the amendment, which requires presidential assent, has not yet come into force, Joint Secretary (Debt Management Unit) Anupam Kishore told Deccan Herald. He said only those cases that had flouted the Foreign Exchange Mangement Act had been referred to the DoE for action. There is prima facie evidence of FEMA contravention in these cases. These will be investigated in a legal manner. Properties legally acquired were not being touched at all, he said.

Notice

Some 380 British nationals have been served notices that their property may be confiscated by the Goa government, the petition to Brown said. A second petition asks the UK PM to aproach the Indian Government to ensure that the DoE acts judiciously when investigating alleged infringements of FEMA and is not being used to harass foreign nationals who have bought property in Goa.

DH News Service


Copyright Devika Sequeira, Panaji 2009, The Printers (Mysore) Private Ltd., 75, M.G Road, Post Box 5331, Banglore - 560001

Please add your signature to the 10 Downing Street petition :

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes/


Thanks again to Eddie Fernandes, www.goanvoice.org.uk for clarification on the article above;

[Ed: The Goa Govt should have carried out investigations and referrals before granting sale deeds. The retrospective action arises in seeking to take action after the event.].

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many thanks Eddie.
 
Old Jul 5th 2009 | 1:22 am
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Old Jul 5th 2009 | 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by noni

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Goanet Highlights by Cornel DaCosta
Goanet is currently full of contrasting views about whether foreigners should be permitted to own property in Goa. Many of the locals seem unhappy that foreigners should be able to own property and live in Goa, despite acknowledging that many hundreds of thousands of Goans are settled fairly contentedly in many far corners of the world. Such local people seem to want to make Goa an exception to the global trend for people to migrate and settle in each other's countries. In reading a large cross-section of views, including from journalists based in Goa, it is my humble opinion that their arguments are quite feeble on this issue and definitely more emotive than rational. But while all this is happening, others have been trying to define Goan Identity and an unusual title of an article 'Defining Goan Identity Over Indian Identity' definitely grabbed my attention! This is about a new book by Donna J Young where the blurb says "this is an analysis of Goan Identity issues in the 20th and 21st centuries using unconventional sources such as novels, short stories, plays, pamphlets, periodical articles and internet newspapers. The importance of using literature in this analysis is to present how [the] Goans perceive themselves rather than how the government, the tourist industry, or tourists perceive them." To get a flavour of this new text click here.

Goanet has an interesting account of 'Some of the Many Tiatrs now being staged in Goa in '09'. One account that particularly interested me was a reference to Him Tujim Pavlam that was reportedly a hit among UK tiatr lovers. This tiatr "highlights the mindset of immigrants to Europe. Romald (Michael) and Betty (Mary), the Goan couple settled in the UK try to enlighten their only daughter Merlyn against her blind pursuit of apeing the English lifestyle. They realistically reproach her that her origins remain unchanged even under the alien mask." By way of a comment, there appears to be much in this tiatr about the clash of cultures within ethnic minorities in the UK, and this time, the Goan experience of this issue is highlighted. However, my liberal perspective tends to emphasise that it is unhelpful for any minority to cocoon themselves when in the UK, within traditional customs, value systems and mores because it is essential to understand that here, we live in a society in which the ethos of different groups is celebrated as multiculturalism that binds society together through diversity and in which all groups give and take from each other. However, Goan Voice (UK) readers can make up their own minds by finding out more about this particular play or tiatr Click here.

Finally, In an unusual article titled ' 'G'bye Goa--'Moradoresand Muslims' by Valmiki Faleiro, we are told about the historical entry into Goa of a range of newcomers in past centuries. The contrast between what Hindus brought with them, especially caste, is juxtaposed by the Muslim introduction of new ideas and modes of thinking. Find out more about this by clicking here.

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Old Jul 5th 2009 | 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by babu1
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...rbi-norms.html

Goa government denies that foreigners in the state were being targeted

Cases under probe flouted RBI norms

Devika Sequeira, Panaji:

The Goa government has said that over 400 cases of property deals by foreigners that have been referred to the Directorate of Enforcement have flouted RBI norms and would face action leading possibly to confiscation of properties.

The government also refuted the contention of the British authorities that a new amendment to the Registration Act 1908 was being used retrospectively to target foreigners who have acquired properties in Goa. The amendment has not yet come into force, they said.

Responding to a petition sent to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the UK government said: “We have made clear to the state authorities in Goa that we would be extremely concerned if there were to be any question of property acquired legally by British nationals being expropriated through the retrospective application of any new legislation.
We have also raised this as a matter of concern with the Indian government in Delhi.”
Alarmed by the pace of property acquisitions in Goa by foreigners, most of them here on mere tourist visas, the Goa Assembly last year passed an amendment to the Registration Act 1908 to empower registrars to scrutinise documents. But the amendment, which requires presidential assent, has not yet come into force, Joint Secretary (Debt Management Unit) Anupam Kishore told Deccan Herald. He said only those cases that had flouted the Foreign Exchange Mangement Act had been referred to the DoE for action. There is prima facie evidence of FEMA contravention in these cases. These will be investigated in a legal manner. Properties legally acquired were not being touched at all, he said.

Notice

Some 380 British nationals have been served notices that their property may be confiscated by the Goa government, the petition to Brown said. A second petition asks the UK PM to aproach the Indian Government to ensure that the DoE acts judiciously when investigating alleged infringements of FEMA and is not being used to harass foreign nationals who have bought property in Goa.

DH News Service


Copyright Devika Sequeira, Panaji 2009, The Printers (Mysore) Private Ltd., 75, M.G Road, Post Box 5331, Banglore - 560001

Please add your signature to the 10 Downing Street petition :

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes/


Thanks again to Eddie Fernandes, www.goanvoice.org.uk for clarification on the article above;

[Ed: The Goa Govt should have carried out investigations and referrals before granting sale deeds. The retrospective action arises in seeking to take action after the event.].

Goan Voice UK designed by Goa Cyber Works Pvt. Ltd., Goa
and funded by donations and sponsorship from the world-wide Goan Community and friends of Goa.
Email: [email protected]
the point they all seem to be missing, is that yes some foreigners did not contravene to fema, but then it did not state clearly you couldnt buy on a tourist visa, also there is not one foreigner who bought there property alone, with out the help of an advocate, builder, uncle brother etc, so these people should be procprosecutedwell. ALSO IF THEY DONT WANT US HERE LET US SELL AND SOD OFF.
 
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Originally Posted by mywaygoa
the point they all seem to be missing, is that yes some foreigners did not contravene to fema, but then it did not state clearly you couldnt buy on a tourist visa, also there is not one foreigner who bought there property alone, with out the help of an advocate, builder, uncle brother etc, so these people should be procprosecutedwell. ALSO IF THEY DONT WANT US HERE LET US SELL AND SOD OFF.
Quite right, and its rubbish to say we werent targeted, wonder how many russians who have brought property have been up before the Dof E?????
its discrimination, like everything in Goa they wanted our money and accepted it with open arms when they were selling their properties to enhance their lives and allow them to build other places for their families, now they have their money and dont want us fine let me sell and get gone !!!!
 
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Originally Posted by poppetjay
Quite right, and its rubbish to say we werent targeted, wonder how many russians who have brought property have been up before the Dof E?????
its discrimination, like everything in Goa they wanted our money and accepted it with open arms when they were selling their properties to enhance their lives and allow them to build other places for their families, now they have their money and dont want us fine let me sell and get gone !!!!
THEY WILL TRY TO STOP US SELLING SO THAT THEY CAN CONFISCATE AND HAVE BACK OR SELL TO LINE THERE OWN POCKETS AGAIN
 
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Originally Posted by mywaygoa
THEY WILL TRY TO STOP US SELLING SO THAT THEY CAN CONFISCATE AND HAVE BACK OR SELL TO LINE THERE OWN POCKETS AGAIN
Absolutely mywaygoa,

How can so many people have bought "illegally" as the Goan govt. put it?They did use advocates as they would in the UK. Why are the Goan Govt. not looking at what has happened with these advocates and why they were for some reason unable to ensure legal conveyance of property? Why are all purchasers assumed guilty before investigations are complete?


Of course if the properties are confiscated the property can be sold again, a new meaning to recycling.

Two Goan friends have said to me today that the UK Govt. should make all goans leave after 180 days and stop them from owning property. They are really concerned about their futures. I don't think that is right and would not support such action, however, it is time the UK govt. reacted strongly as the Russian govt have.

Great about the petition, lets hope for the best and carry on hanging on.

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