[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Autonomy ? A moral stance against a nation of people - not to be too harsh - but is that not frowned upon normally? it should be.

That reminds me of another debate that I got involved in a while back...

"Is it racist to refer to another race as racist?"

I object to Israel's occupation of territory that does not belong to them, nor do I accept their 'homeland' justification. I am sorely embarrassed by my country's role in creating Israel. The brutality with which they maintain their illegal presence is barely reported in the 'West'.

No I'm not prepared to debate it on The Bored. You can disagree all you wish - I respect your views (and there will no doubt be 'pros' and 'cons') but you won't change mine. If you wish to debate this, please do so without me.

[Autonomy]

If you wish to debate this, please do so without me

fair enough. I'm not disagreeing... just not agreeing, either... don't want a fight....

Originally Posted by The Dean That reminds me of another debate that I got involved in a while back... "Is it racist to refer to another race as racist?" I object to Israel's occupation of territory that does not belong to them, nor do I accept their 'homeland' justification. I am sorely embarrassed by my country's role in creating Israel. The brutality with which they maintain their illegal presence is barely reported in the 'West'. No I'm not prepared to debate it on The Bored. You can disagree all you wish - I respect your views (and there will no doubt be 'pros' and 'cons') but you won't change mine. If you wish to debate this, please do so without me.

[Eva]

Originally Posted by Autonomy If you wish to debate this, please do so without me fair enough. I'm not disagreeing... just not agreeing, either... don't want a fight....

You're not metaphorphising Koffi?..............

[Inselaffen]

Originally Posted by The Dean That reminds me of another debate that I got involved in a while back... "Is it racist to refer to another race as racist?" I object to Israel's occupation of territory that does not belong to them, nor do I accept their 'homeland' justification. I am sorely embarrassed by my country's role in creating Israel. The brutality with which they maintain their illegal presence is barely reported in the 'West'. No I'm not prepared to debate it on The Bored. You can disagree all you wish - I respect your views (and there will no doubt be 'pros' and 'cons') but you won't change mine. If you wish to debate this, please do so without me.

do you also have such a moral objection to Poland occupying German territory, Russian occupying Japanese territory, China occupying Tibet? to name but a few.

[Eva]

Fancy meeting you here.........
Moral Argument?
Haaaaa

[Inselaffen]

Originally Posted by Eva Fancy meeting you here......... Moral Argument? Haaaaa

strange isnt it!

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Inselaffen do you also have such a moral objection to Poland occupying German territory, Russian occupying Japanese territory, China occupying Tibet? to name but a few.

Probably - why do you doubt it? Tibet certainly.

(Not aware of the Poland-Germany situation - there's an interesting reversal of fortune.... more details, please).

No debate - talk amongst yourselves.........

[Inselaffen]

Originally Posted by The Dean Probably - why do you doubt it? Tibet certainly. (Not aware of the Poland-Germany situation - there's an interesting reversal of fortune.... more details, please). No debate - talk amongst yourselves.........

the German city of Danzig (Gdansk)
East Prussia includig the German city of Konigsberg (Kalliningrad) which was split between Rusian and Poland.

[Norm_uk]

Originally Posted by Confucius They interpret the story of David and Goliath in an opposite manner...

So David is a foot tall invader from the Agean and Goliath is a teenage boy who can't even grow a beard but is handy with a sling?

AM trying to figure out how that is immoral....give me time...

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[Norm_uk]

Originally Posted by The Dean That reminds me of another debate that I got involved in a while back... "Is it racist to refer to another race as racist?" I object to Israel's occupation of territory that does not belong to them, nor do I accept their 'homeland' justification. I am sorely embarrassed by my country's role in creating Israel. The brutality with which they maintain their illegal presence is barely reported in the 'West'. No I'm not prepared to debate it on The Bored. You can disagree all you wish - I respect your views (and there will no doubt be 'pros' and 'cons') but you won't change mine. If you wish to debate this, please do so without me.

So you have already made up your mind and don't want anyone to disturb you with facts or even counter-opinions?



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[Norm_uk]

Originally Posted by Inselaffen do you also have such a moral objection to Poland occupying German territory, Russian occupying Japanese territory, China occupying Tibet? to name but a few.

Or....

Britain's continued occupation of Northern Ireland!

Turkey's occupation of Constantinople, Cyprus and Anatolia in general really.

Arab occupation of...well everything from Iraq to Morroco for the past 1400 years!

Can anyone think of any others?...aside from the American continent, Australia, New Zealand, most of Africa and of course...the Cockney oppression of Luton and Watford!

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[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Norm_uk Or.... Britain's continued occupation of Northern Ireland! Turkey's occupation of Constantinople, Cyprus and Anatolia in general really. Arab occupation of...well everything from Iraq to Morroco for the past 1400 years! Can anyone think of any others?...aside from the American continent, Australia, New Zealand, most of Africa and of course...the Cockney oppression of Luton and Watford! N.

Leave Watford's name off The Bored please - we Luton fans get all queasy when we hear that word........

Interesting examples - but how many of them constitute a brutalising presence that maintains its occupation by reign of terror?

Israel, yes.......... and.......... er..........

[Inselaffen]

Originally Posted by Norm_uk Or.... Britain's continued occupation of Northern Ireland! Turkey's occupation of Constantinople, Cyprus and Anatolia in general really. Arab occupation of...well everything from Iraq to Morroco for the past 1400 years! Can anyone think of any others?...aside from the American continent, Australia, New Zealand, most of Africa and of course...the Cockney oppression of Luton and Watford! N.

well if you want to be controversial, how about the continuing african occupation of the entire Carribean?

[Confucius]

Originally Posted by Norm_uk So David is a foot tall invader from the Agean and Goliath is a teenage boy who can't even grow a beard but is handy with a sling? AM trying to figure out how that is immoral....give me time... N.

Israel is very very good at playing the victim...As are the Palestinians...
I'm not saying both are right or wrong...Just consider the fact that how many Israelis are dead by acts of Palestinian resistance (ie bombs,rockets etc) and how many Palestinians are dying everyday from Israeli aggression with superior firepower such as Apache warplanes...
It is not a level playing field...

[Norm_uk]

Originally Posted by The Dean Leave Watford's name off The Bored please - we Luton fans get all queasy when we hear that word........ Interesting examples - but how many of them constitute a brutalising presence that maintains its occupation by reign of terror? Israel, yes.......... and.......... er..........

Well seeing as I was born in the Luton and Dunstable Hospital I suppose I shouldn't mention Watford after all (especially if Vinnie Jones is reading )

Israel's occupation is based on wars it didn't start from what the facts say (rather than the jewish lobby or pallywood or the european politically correct elite say)...if we look at the others we can see far, far worse....entire peoples wiped out, cultures utterly destroyed and their legacy rubbished and slandered (the Arabs for example Arabised ((not sure if that's a word )) pretty much the whole region - before it was culturally and religiously far more diverse)...

I won't even start on the fact of the Armenian or Jewish/Gypsy and other minority genocide in the two world wars last century.

I doubt even a million Arabs have been killed in the past 50 years or so in various wars and conflicts with Israel...and I feel that if the Arabs laid down their arms there would be uneasy peace...but if Israel laid down it's arms there would be no Israel.

Not that I would miss either...I am way too busy being stuck in traffic on Shk Zayed Road to notice yet another example or religiously inspired political and armed conflict over bits of worthless land

Vote Norm....I promise nothing but fence sitting and slander for all.


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