Hey 6000 I cannot believe you are sticking up for this baboon, the minister of health is a disgrace to all south africa's. Putting the kleptomania and even her liver/drinking problems aside, the word totonto already on its own rings more than enough alarm bells. She is a baboon...

On another note, I sometimes wonder if this woman is actually not the best thing the AWB has ever seen? She is killing so many poor black south africans with her stupidity about ARV's etc.. Its an absolute disgrace that she is a health minister, Botswana thinks its the joke of the century.

Stop trying to stand up for her....She is just like the rest, its what happens when a country is at the mercy of its own terrorists....
the robben island old boys club.

You're entitled to your view.
I'm entitled to mine.
You accuse me of looking through rose-tinted spectacles - I see you looking at half-empty glasses.

Is there a cut off date for the legacy of Apartheid? Sure - but we're nowhere near it yet. While millions of blacks live in shacks and the whites in their mansions. While black kids struggle to get a basic education and then attempt to compete in the job market against the white kids who have broadband at home, expensive private education and a pool in the back garden to do their varsity work next to at the weekend. While the unemployment levels in the whites and blacks differ by over 30%.
Is 14 years enough to recover from 30+ years of selective investment in service for 9% of the country's people? Do you really believe that?

Do you really believe the Nats figures for unemployment? Immigration? The economy?
Are you a fool?

I'm not saying that the government is perfect, in fact far from it, but they've built 2.5 million houses in 12 years, supplied running water to 4 million people, electricity to 7 million. Why did they have to do that after they took over this "highly efficient" country with its "excellent infrastructure"?

As for the economy - booming, mate - in the top 3 on the UN's "developing nations" list - a phrase that kinda goes against your claims that the Nats left a fully "developed" nation. But what do the UN know?

Nice to see that Thabo is now an alcoholic too - who told you that? His hairdresser? Or did you just make it up? Either way - call the Sunday Times on (011) 280-3000 (don't forget to add the +27!) - they need a decent front page for the weekend.

I'm always interested when people say that SA is becoming the new Zim. This goes against everything that IDASA and the international political community is saying. (Hell, it even goes against what the Sunday Times is saying - I'm not sure what to make of this).
I think it started with the free and fair elections bit. Something Zim has been missing out on.

All these differing viewpoints aside, the only one I take offence at is that I should write on the HCR site. I have regularly dismissed that site as being offensively blinkered and an absolute sham.

OK - back to lab. Beach is calling this weekend - as long as I get this report written up. Have a good one.

Oh dear.

Booming Economy?

The number of vehicle sales are on the up, crime is fueling the SA economy. And in turn the goverment benefits from this. Why do you think they will not admit there is a problem?

6890 car hijacking, 41170 stolen cars. (in one year)

These figures are for the gauteng province only, they ridiculous. Of course the economy is doing pretty well based on figures like that.

Judging from the rest of the crime stats for Gauteng, robberies, murders, rapes, its not suprising really that the economy is doing so well, people have to protect themselves and in order to do that it costs money. Insurance pays out for stolen goods, goods get replaced (goverment gets 14% on each sale), pretty impressive if you ask me.

http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/re...cial_total.pdf

As for all the houses the ANC has built, more blacks are living in poverty today in SA than ever before. 4000000 Zimbos in SA today, thats more than the entire white population of SA, as many as all the people in New Zealand!!! the government has done nothing to stop them entering. Poverty is on the increases, crime is on the increase and yes the economy is booming!

Like so many blinkered ANC supporters and hangers on, he would rather see the holocaust continue than criticise the government. African governments don't do criticism. That's one reason they all fail.

I note too the usual refrain that anyone who does not slavishly support the ANC is therefore a racist and dyed-in-the-wool supporter of the worst excesses of apartheid. A dull old trick.

In the end, though, it is precisely those people the ANC claims it wants to help who will suffer the most. Mr 6000 won't be one of them. If the going gets tough, he'll get going. He has learnt his trite political outlook in the cossetted safety of the UK. It will take a while for him to realise that reality isn't actually like it says in Politics 101.

Why even bother.

You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

6000, your major is doing a brilliant job in CT, you should support her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBsIa5iL0cQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fe0nvLefEI

more on Zuma and Mango

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4u5cMKW4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiG9MaGSN64

Its funny, you dont see any jokes about DeKlerk, Mandella, Hellen Zille etc on youtube, But its full of jokes about Zuma, Manto, Thabo, mad Bob etc... That says one thing...

I do not think that "free and fair elections" on the Western model are any guarantee that African nations are going to end up with good, just, competent governments. If the elections reflect the will of the people (whatever that is in the abstract) then if the people are wrong, deluded, tyrannous, or whatever else, then their elected government will reflect this.

It has been said many times, with justification, that Mugabe is hugely popular in South Africa, precisely because of the appalling things he has done to his own country. Zuma, too, is popular.

Much as tho it irritates me to say so, 6000 does have a few points I agree with.
I agree that Apartheid was wrong, my vote did'nt change much.
I agree that by 94 SA was bankrupt.
I agree that there were a lot of inequalities that need to be addressed.

However, as in any argument, it's not what is done or said, it is how it's done.
Yes, the ANC have tried to deliver on their promises of housing and clean water.
At what cost?
Could they have done more?
What infrastructure that needs constant maintenance has been neglected?
Why is there a shortage of Teachers and Nurses applying for training?
The Broadband rollout that could put good teachers in every rural classroom has'nt happened?
If you take the amount of money that has been wasted on gestures,fraud, corruption, stupidity , ineffectual name changes, R400,000 lunches, The Commissions such as the arms deals kickbacks paid to the ANC,
ally to that the billions that have been made in BEE deals,not because they were bright, but because they had presence and knew some people, for most of them, they could give half of what they made to Education, Houses,Medical and still have an unspendable amount.

How much more could be done?
The People with power turned it into an us and them , again, have's and have nots, 6000 asks why there is a 30% difference in unemployment between black and white?
I ask why are 94% of whites employable?
Why is our productivity so low?

and to turn 6000's penchant for slanted stats back, if the entire white Population of SA became unemployed,swopped with black citizens, would still depending on whose figures you choose,be either still 70% (at 30% unemployment of total population excluding unemployable) blacks unemployed
or 10, Million compared to 14,000,000 Citizens at present.
or 80%.

Where are the SETA's? the free training? Why are'nt the Government paying people to learn?
Why are'nt there paid maths and science lecturers in the town halls, and churches, doing extra lessons?
Speaking on a market research of one in a place called Tembisa midrand.
Cos the kids dont pitch up.
They dont want to learn more, not all of them, just enough to make the ones who want to come nervous.

The ANC got a lot right, there are good ones in Government , just not enough either, and they're led by attitude privilege, of being above the Law.
Minimal accountability.
Like the struggle.

And 6000, thats what will take SA down the same path as Zim and and Uganda and a whole bunch of other Countries in Africa.
I hope not, I'm hoping for a turnaround, but if you look at the slow denigration ,it aint looking good.
Matter of interest on the the whole 2010, with the current Worldwide shortage of Stainless Steel and Concrete , how many Hospitals, Schools and Jails that were planned to be upgraded , built , will now have their ordered materials diverted to Soccer Stadia?