[Englishmum]

I've just seen this report in today's "Mirror" about a 7 day old Jewish baby boy who was circumcised in London and died of oxygen starvation and cardiac arrest:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

Unusual but very sad.

The story caused me to remember that circumcision was a very hot topic on this board!

See: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328362

[UKgirl]

Sorry to hear that sad news.'
My son was circumsised by a mohel in London and is now 9 years old. Every doctor that has seen him remarks on what a 'nice' circumcision it is. Not sure how it can be described as 'nice, but I think I get their drift.
In the UK when he was born (not sure about now) circumsision was not offered as part of the NHS system. In fact, the midwife who was assigned to us told me she wasn't supposed to even help me dress it or anything. Of course, being the wonderful person she was, she did help.
Being that there are a lot more Muslims in the UK when I left, does anyone know if circumcision is done by the NHS now?

[Englishmum]

Originally Posted by UKgirl Sorry to hear that sad news.' My son was circumsised by a mohel in London and is now 9 years old. Every doctor that has seen him remarks on what a 'nice' circumcision it is. Not sure how it can be described as 'nice, but I think I get their drift. In the UK when he was born (not sure about now) circumsision was not offered as part of the NHS system. In fact, the midwife who was assigned to us told me she wasn't supposed to even help me dress it or anything. Of course, being the wonderful person she was, she did help. Being that there are a lot more Muslims in the UK when I left, does anyone know if circumcision is done by the NHS now?

No idea. I guess Muslims get their Imams to do it as part of a religious ritual?

I remember when I was in hospital having one of my children that some of the Indians would shave the hair off the baby's head. Then again, some Chinese do that too.

[BritGuyTN]

Originally Posted by UKgirl Sorry to hear that sad news.' My son was circumsised by a mohel in London and is now 9 years old. Every doctor that has seen him remarks on what a 'nice' circumcision it is. Not sure how it can be described as 'nice, but I think I get their drift. In the UK when he was born (not sure about now) circumsision was not offered as part of the NHS system. In fact, the midwife who was assigned to us told me she wasn't supposed to even help me dress it or anything. Of course, being the wonderful person she was, she did help. Being that there are a lot more Muslims in the UK when I left, does anyone know if circumcision is done by the NHS now?

Circumcision should not be offered by the NHS IMO

Its certainly not a medical or health condition

<<dons flame suit and sits back with a beer and bag of popcorn to watch fireworks>>

[explorerman]

Originally Posted by BritGuyTN Circumcision should not be offered by the NHS IMO Its certainly not a medical or health condition <<dons flame suit and sits back with a beer and bag of popcorn to watch fireworks>>

Are you saying this as a blanket statement or just about circumcision at birth?
I happen to know that there are medical reasons for circumcision in certain instances.

Roy

[TruBrit]

Originally Posted by BritGuyTN Circumcision should not be offered by the NHS IMO Its certainly not a medical or health condition <<dons flame suit and sits back with a beer and bag of popcorn to watch fireworks>>

i guess you mean at the time of birth and if so then i would go along with your comment ...if offered to the parents then a charge should be made accordingly.

[neil]

Originally Posted by BritGuyTN Circumcision should not be offered by the NHS IMO Its certainly not a medical or health condition <<dons flame suit and sits back with a beer and bag of popcorn to watch fireworks>>

What fireworks? Mutilation should not be offered as part of the NHS.

[TruBrit]

Originally Posted by neil What fireworks? Mutilation should not be offered as part of the NHS.

yep i see it as that also for the girls being mutilated and without anesthetic i could cry

[Silly Sod]

Originally Posted by BritGuyTN Circumcision should not be offered by the NHS IMO Its certainly not a medical or health condition <<dons flame suit and sits back with a beer and bag of popcorn to watch fireworks>>

This may clear up a couple of questions. I hope. My son is 19 yrs old and he was circumcised on the NHS at about 9 months old. It was because of a medical condition and even back then the Dr suggested it as the best way of dealng with an infection he had under his foreskin.

By comparison our useless GP at the time told us to pull back his foreskin while bathing him, regardless of if it hurt. It did hurt and he screamed. We then decided to take him to Pendlebury childrens hospital in Salford where he had the old chop in no time. Very professional and it has never bothered him.

My opinion (if anynody gives a foreskin) is that if there is no medical or religious reason for it then it is mutilation for the sake of it. Back when my wife was my girlfriend she delighted in telling her friends that I was uncircumcised. They were all shocked and curious and said they had never met an american boy with all his bits in tact. I was not over the moon at her sharing this info ha ha.

According to the missus though, it all began as an anti masturbation scheme in the 50's over here. Silly bunch of misguided christians that they are.

Anyway, there you go. Hope this helps and apols for gratuitously saying foreskin a lot.

[TruBrit]

Originally Posted by Silly Sod This may clear up a couple of questions. I hope. My son is 19 yrs old and he was circumcised on the NHS at about 9 months old. It was because of a medical condition and even back then the Dr suggested it as the best way of dealng with an infection he had under his foreskin. By comparison our useless GP at the time told us to pull back his foreskin while bathing him, regardless of if it hurt. It did hurt and he screamed. We then decided to take him to Pendlebury childrens hospital in Salford where he had the old chop in no time. Very professional and it has never bothered him. My opinion (if anynody gives a foreskin) is that if there is no medical or religious reason for it then it is mutilation for the sake of it. Back when my wife was my girlfriend she delighted in telling her friends that I was uncircumcised. They were all shocked and curious and said they had never met an american boy with all his bits in tact. I was not over the moon at her sharing this info ha ha. According to the missus though, it all began as an anti masturbation scheme in the 50's over here. Silly bunch of misguided christians that they are. Anyway, there you go. Hope this helps and apols for gratuitously saying foreskin a lot.

yep silly sod i can understand the situation with your little one....i imagine it must be ever so painful to have an infection there btw my hubs is another usc with all his bits in tact and jolly glad i am to, much prefer it that way

[Silly Sod]

Originally Posted by TruBrit yep silly sod i can understand the situation with your little one....i imagine it must be ever so painful to have an infection there btw my hubs is another usc with all his bits in tact and jolly glad i am to, much prefer it that way

Me too. I love all my bits so much I have been 'examining' them since I was about 10, a good thorough examination now and then is.....well, anyway.....ahem...........My missus likes mine too, and her friends like the idea of it. Perhaps one of these days I will wap the old chap out at Thanksgiving and give them all an eyeful (that sounded bad didn't it). That will show her for telling everyone about my little worm in a polo neck!!!

Just to mention BTW - the wife has just told me that on UK-Yankee you cannot even discuss the subject until you become a reggy on there. We rock!!!

[Englishmum]

Originally Posted by Silly Sod According to the missus though, it all began as an anti masturbation scheme in the 50's over here. Silly bunch of misguided christians that they are.

Yes it's true. The instigator was the founder of the Kellogg's cornflake company.

[TruBrit]

Originally Posted by Englishmum Yes it's true. The instigator was the founder of the Kellogg's cornflake company.

i'd never heard of it, what was it about then?

[Silly Sod]

Originally Posted by Englishmum Yes it's true. The instigator was the founder of the Kellogg's cornflake company.

Which brings me to another bit of useless info. We are moving to the home of Kellogs (Battle Creek in Michigan) where when you wake in the morning your car is literally covered with sugar. I wonder if it is like Willy Wonka in there (Willy? Circumcision? The thread remains on topic). He apparently had a brother who pioneered various treatments for the mentally ill and set up a sanitarium in Battle Creek. The wife reckons he is just as famous as the cornflake guy but I am sceptical. For one thing nobody I know has ever heard of him and for another, cornflakes before bed are much better for you than electro shock treatment or a pre-frontal lobotomy. Bet he was a barrel of laughs. And circumcised too.

[Bob]

TMI people...just way TMI...If we ever have a big meet up, this thread will have scared me good and proper