[ClareBC]

Whew - if you want to read some upset and unhappy immigrant comments have a look at the
http://www.*********.com/
(I think someone has already posted their "Eight Reasons not to Emigrate to Canada".)


And then there is always
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/

Someone quoted a figure to me that 70% of immigrants return in the first year (a figure he got from a letter from his MP!) but I can think of only a few families that have. I wonder what the figure really is?

Clare

[frankieforehead]

Originally Posted by ClareBC Whew - if you want to read some upset and unhappy immigrant comments have a look at the http://www.*********.com/ (I think someone has already posted their "Eight Reasons not to Emigrate to Canada".) And then there is always http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/ Someone quoted a figure to me that 70% of immigrants return in the first year (a figure he got from a letter from his MP!) but I can think of only a few families that have. I wonder what the figure really is? Clare

I suppose the same statistics can be applied to immigrants to the UK as well.... I think people who want to come to Canada should research their area of expertise and actually apply for some jobs before embarking on this wonderful adventure, if they don't receive any replies then they should reconsider their application.

But then again is a "Ph D" undertaken in india of the same standard as one gained in Canada? although I am no doctor, I have noticed that some of the electricians I work with from other parts of the world, seem to be less knowledgeable than they should be.

Anyway an interesting site and food for thought.

[Souvenir]

Originally Posted by ClareBC Someone quoted a figure to me that 70% of immigrants return in the first year (a figure he got from a letter from his MP!) but I can think of only a few families that have. I wonder what the figure really is? Clare

Someone in CIC quoted me 40% within 5 years.

[Rich_007]

Originally Posted by ClareBC Someone quoted a figure to me that 70% of immigrants return in the first year (a figure he got from a letter from his MP!) but I can think of only a few families that have. I wonder what the figure really is?

I can't believe that 70% of immigrants return home ?

Maybe it's a case that of those who do return home, 70% do so in first year ?

It would probably make sense; money runs out, don't like it, can't adjust, family problems, homesickness, lose job/can't get job, all harsh realities which would hit home in the first year.

Rich.

[Biiiiink]

Did they mean return to their native country, or just leave Canada?

I haven't searched for figures but wonder how many drift South (when they're eligible for citizenship, so not in the first year obviously)?

[elfintrot]

I don't understand the issue of education in India . Why do people think that only the Canadian(or for tht matter europian) degree is superior? Then why is the silicone valley swamped by Indians? Why is tht the half of NHS doctors are from South Asia? Ofcourse there are bad apples.. but tht doersn't mean tht all those who qualified in India and the rest of Asia are lacking in grey matter.

[Souvenir]

Originally Posted by elfintrot I don't understand the issue of education in India . Why do people think that only the Canadian(or for tht matter europian) degree is superior? Then why is the silicone valley swamped by Indians? Why is tht the half of NHS doctors are from South Asia? Ofcourse there are bad apples.. but tht doersn't mean tht all those who qualified in India and the rest of Asia are lacking in grey matter.

"silicone valley"? Like it. Makes me think of, well, you know

[iaink]

Originally Posted by Souvenir "silicone valley"? Like it. Makes me think of, well, you know

Presumably its swamped with hordes of Indian trained cosmetic surgeons?

[Souvenir]

Originally Posted by iaink Presumably its swamped with hordes of Indian trained cosmetic surgeons?

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[Biiiiink]

Originally Posted by elfintrot I don't understand the issue of education in India . Why do people think that only the Canadian(or for tht matter europian) degree is superior? Then why is the silicone valley swamped by Indians? Why is tht the half of NHS doctors are from South Asia? Ofcourse there are bad apples.. but tht doersn't mean tht all those who qualified in India and the rest of Asia are lacking in grey matter.

With regard to dentistry, an Indian graduate will have done all of his training on a "bench", that's real (extracted) teeth stuck into a block of wood. This block can be turned, you can move around it yourself. It's nothing like working on real teeth in a real mouth belonging to a real live patient. That approach is very different to the training received at western universities where you're working on live patients from year 1 or 2. Doesn't mean an Indian dentist is "lacking in grey matter", just that his degree is perceived to be inferior for that (and other similar) reasons.

S/he'll still be allowed to practise in the NHS with only a short multiple choice exam first, but Canada and the US can afford to be much more selective as there is no shortage of dental graduates here.

[elfintrot]

Originally Posted by Biiiiink With regard to dentistry, an Indian graduate will have done all of his training on a "bench", that's real (extracted) teeth stuck into a block of wood. This block can be turned, you can move around it yourself. It's nothing like working on real teeth in a real mouth belonging to a real live patient. That approach is very different to the training received at western universities where you're working on live patients from year 1 or 2. Doesn't mean an Indian dentist is "lacking in grey matter", just that his degree is perceived to be inferior for that (and other similar) reasons. S/he'll still be allowed to practise in the NHS with only a short multiple choice exam first, but Canada and the US can afford to be much more selective as there is no shortage of dental graduates here.

An Indian undergraqduate would hv used real cadavers for anatomy . 10 students to 1 cadaver and in england one entire batch to one cadaver..if they are lucky.. And all the doctors from india hv to write the PLAB and it isn't a simple MCQ test. Still they pass!!!!

[Rich_007]

Originally Posted by Biiiiink ...S/he'll still be allowed to practise in the NHS with only a short multiple choice exam first....

The contrast with nursing UK>Canada is pretty much the same.

The UK spins 'em off staright onto the wards with minimal supervision and some rudimentary test, not even with references being obtained and of course, no IELTS /TEOFL (sp?) checks necessary. That would probably be deemed racist

Canada assesses initial training from however many years ago with transcripts, experience, references, police checks, professional exam, etc, all undertaken in a loing winded but thorough process with branches off for retraining etc where stipulated. Even some recently qualified UK nurses have failed to make the grade for Canadian assessment due to areas of basic nurse training which for some period of time weren't included in the UK training program to Canadian standards. Psychiatric and obstetrics IIRC.

Rich.

[Biiiiink]

Originally Posted by elfintrot An Indian undergraqduate would hv used real cadavers for anatomy . 10 students to 1 cadaver and in england one entire batch to one cadaver..if they are lucky.. And all the doctors from india hv to write the PLAB and it isn't a simple MCQ test. Still they pass!!!!

Mr B was usually in groups of 4 to a cadaver (UK trained), occasionally groups of 6.

I don't know much about the PLAB, except that you can take the parts again and again until you pass. It's just SBA/EMQs and OCSE, isn't it? So, if you can afford the five or six hundred quid, you can keep going and going and going until you pass.

I'm not sure that the ability to pass that exam means that any given degree is equal in standard to any other.