This refugee thing.
Feb 20th 2016, 8:25 pm
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Re: This refugee thing.
The OP was taking about Refugees! I do remember how remote NZ feels when you are there. But with a million refugees and economic migrants here in Europe already and another million on the way, I ask the question, "how many is enough"? Look whats happening in Sweden The Death of the Most Generous Nation on Earth | Foreign Policy
Feb 21st 2016, 1:04 am
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Re: This refugee thing.
Just to note that (according to the statistics for the Parent Category draw) the immigration is consistently around 45% Chinese and the percentage of Indian migrants is now generally second place, with Brits and South Africans reducing in numbers.
Those from North Africa and the Middle East don't really seem to be in significant numbers.
I would wonder more if NZ in the future is going to be increasingly steered by Chinese culture.
I am not saying this is either a good or bad thing but being multi-cultural means that your long term views are modified by migrants once they achieve a certain percentage of the population.
Those from North Africa and the Middle East don't really seem to be in significant numbers.
I would wonder more if NZ in the future is going to be increasingly steered by Chinese culture.
I am not saying this is either a good or bad thing but being multi-cultural means that your long term views are modified by migrants once they achieve a certain percentage of the population.
Jul 15th 2016, 12:48 pm
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Well we shouldn’t force people to live in a Western country. There will be people for who the liberal nature of western society will be very confronting and they may not adjust well to societal norms.
If states can be made to look powerless by events governments will not be able to continue to extend such humanitarian efforts. Liberal governments cannot afford for people to close rank, lose trust or act out of fear. Europe needs young workers but cultural conflict may be a price too high for many countries.
If states can be made to look powerless by events governments will not be able to continue to extend such humanitarian efforts. Liberal governments cannot afford for people to close rank, lose trust or act out of fear. Europe needs young workers but cultural conflict may be a price too high for many countries.
.Again we should be very thankful we live in a society which, by design or dumb luck, has a viable social mix where people can live in relative peace. Not only that but we are in the envious position of not confronted by difficult choices on our door step that might disturb our relatively harmonious balance.
Jul 15th 2016, 1:28 pm
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It's not looking so good for the European integration experiment by my reckoning .
Again we should be very thankful we live in a society which, by design or dumb luck, has a viable social mix where people can live in relative peace. Not only that but we are in the envious position of not confronted by difficult choices on our door step that might disturb our relatively harmonious balance.
.Again we should be very thankful we live in a society which, by design or dumb luck, has a viable social mix where people can live in relative peace. Not only that but we are in the envious position of not confronted by difficult choices on our door step that might disturb our relatively harmonious balance.
Jul 15th 2016, 1:29 pm
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I hope I'm misunderstanding but are you saying that everyone from an Islamic based country should be kept out of the Christian based western countries and that western countries shouldn't help when there's a humanitarian crisis in Islamic countries that forces peopel to flee for their lives?
Equally though, the effects of immigration from non Western countries in particular those countries infected with Islamic extremism, are fairly plain to see. Objectively should not the Western nations seek to manage immigration in a manner to maintain their own culture and security ? After all, if one believes in multi-culturalism, why cant the West preserve its own culture , as well as security ?
Time for ideology to give way to practical and objective discussion of policies necessary for the future before it is too late.
Sad in the 21st century will all the potential benefits can bring to humanity, that we appear to be descending into a clash of civilizations that benefits no one.
Jul 15th 2016, 9:04 pm
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It's nice to hear Ireland is going into a peaceful period though...
Jul 15th 2016, 11:08 pm
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Next wave of migrants into the EU will be Turks
Jul 16th 2016, 1:14 pm
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All over now, just the loose ends to mop up. By 'mop up' I mean further restrictions on media, opposition and the systematic imprisonment and torture that will now follow of course. Still it's not our place to criticise other cultures and we don't have to live there so...all good I suppose.
Jul 18th 2016, 7:28 am
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Don't know what it would have to do with Ireland, but nobody can really say they are safe and where is the doorstep? 740 million people in Europe still get on with their lives and while the killings in France were very tragic and the talk about refugees in Europe is ongoing, it's nothing compared to the other problems the world has. Just look at the poverty close to New Zealand, be it Bangladesh, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and you'll see that even New Zealand isn't far from it. A person living in the French Alps could feel safer than the person living in Auckland, but we all have the problem.
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Jul 18th 2016, 7:10 pm
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Don't know what it would have to do with Ireland, but nobody can really say they are safe and where is the doorstep? 740 million people in Europe still get on with their lives and while the killings in France were very tragic and the talk about refugees in Europe is ongoing, it's nothing compared to the other problems the world has. Just look at the poverty close to New Zealand, be it Bangladesh, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and you'll see that even New Zealand isn't far from it. A person living in the French Alps could feel safer than the person living in Auckland, but we all have the problem.
Jul 19th 2016, 11:39 am
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The point is that the world is still very small and we all have the problem, but being further away doesn't automatically make it safer for you.
Jul 19th 2016, 11:54 am
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At the moment the problems stem from North Africa, the Middle East and Bangladesh.
If they get any closer though we might have to move in with the penguins
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If they get any closer though we might have to move in with the penguins
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Jul 19th 2016, 12:14 pm
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Not sure what this thread is about, other than hand wringing and a touch of liberal guilt because we live in NZ? .
Nothing new in refugees - my wife's family got out of Silesia just before the Russians moved in. Looking at her birth date no Russian bloodlines.
Humans (like it or not) are tribal eg Man City supporters first, Mancunians next, possibly English, but definitely not British!!
So fully integrate culturally or problems arise. Large refugee numbers will lead to massive unrest. West Germans are still bitter about the influx and costs of the East Germans, Turks are on the edge(gastarbeiters or not) - Syrians watch this space.
Nothing new in refugees - my wife's family got out of Silesia just before the Russians moved in. Looking at her birth date no Russian bloodlines.
Humans (like it or not) are tribal eg Man City supporters first, Mancunians next, possibly English, but definitely not British!!
So fully integrate culturally or problems arise. Large refugee numbers will lead to massive unrest. West Germans are still bitter about the influx and costs of the East Germans, Turks are on the edge(gastarbeiters or not) - Syrians watch this space.
Jul 19th 2016, 3:20 pm
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The Russians moved into Silesia ? I think you will find that Silesia, Pomerania and bits of Prussia were given to the Poles !