Robbie2010

I don't think the Palestinians are "playing" the victim ... They are the victim!

Kotare

Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched thousands[1][2][3][4] of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Arab–Israeli conflict. As of July 2014 the attacks have killed 50 people,[5] and injured more than 1900 people

Attacks have been carried out by all Palestinian armed groups,[23] and, prior to the 2008–2009 Gaza War, were consistently supported by most Palestinians,[24][25][26][27] although the stated goals have been mixed. The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by United Nations and the European Union, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. The international community considers indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian structures that do not discriminate between civilians and military targets illegal under international law.[28][29]

Robbie2010

I think this shows who the aggressors are!

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2013

1 :Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
2 :Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3 :Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
4 :Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
4b :Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
5 :Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
6 :Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
7 :Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
8 :Resolution 250: "...‘calls on’ Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
9 :Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
10 :Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
11 :Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
12 :Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
13 :Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
14 :Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
15 :Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
16 :Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
17 :Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
18 :Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
19 :Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
20 :Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
21 :Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
22 :Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
23 :Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
24 :Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
25 :Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
26 :Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
27 :Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
28 :Resolution 425: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
29 :Resolution 427: "...‘calls on’ Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
30 :Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
31 :Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
32 :Resolution 450: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
33 :Resolution 452: "...‘calls on’ Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
34 :Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
35 :Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
36 :Resolution 468: "...‘calls on’ Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
37 :Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
38 :Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
39 :Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
40 :Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
41 :Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
42 :Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
43 :Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
44 :Resolution 498: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
45 :Resolution 501: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
46 :Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
47 :Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
48 :Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
49 :Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
50 :Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
51 :Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
52 :Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
53 :Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
54 :Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
55 :Resolution 607: "...‘calls on’ Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
56 :Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
67 :Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
58 :Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
59 :Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
60 :Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
61 :Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
62 :Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
63 :Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
64 :Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return
65 :Resolution 904: "...‘strongly condemns’ the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others"
66 :Resolution 1073: "...‘calls for’ the immediate cessation and reversal of all acts which have resulted in the aggravation of the situation, ‘calls for‘ the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians to be ensured"
67 :Resolution 1322: "...‘condemns’ acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life"
68 :Resolution 1402: "...‘calls upon’ both parties to move immediately to a meaningful ceasefire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah"
69 :Resolution 1403: "...‘demands’ the implementation of its resolution 1402 (2002) without delay"
70 :Resolution 1405: "...‘emphasizes’ the urgency of access of medical and humanitarian organizations to the Palestinian civilian population"
71 :Resolution 1435: "...‘demands’ that Israel immediately cease measures in and around Ramallah including the destruction of Palestinian civilian and security infrastructure"
72 :Resolution 1544: "...‘calls on’ Israel to respect its obligations under international humanitarian law, and insists, in particular, on its obligation not to undertake demolition of homes contrary to that law"
73 :Resolution 1860: "...‘calls for’ an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; ‘calls for‘ the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment"
74 :Resolution 1937: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
75 :Resolution 2004: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
76 :Resolution 2064: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"

UN Resolutions Against the Palestinians, 1955-2013

1 :Resolution 1435: "...‘calls on’ the Palestinian Authority to meet its expressed commitment to ensure that those responsible for terrorist acts are brought to justice by it"

Justcol

OK lets say they are

The next statement would be "So What !!"
why should I or anyone else give a flying ***k about this. I personally couldn't care less if one wipes the other of the map
I dont care if other Arab countries get involved, I dont care if the USA, who are constantly kowtowing to the Jews, for fear
of financial reprisals at home, get involved, which they wont, as no racist, flag waiving redneck is gonna die for a Jew.

So, the slaughter will continue and no one is REALLY bothered, even though a few will pretend otherwise

The majority of the conflicts in the world are a direct result of religion. Until people realise that THERE IS NO GOD and
all religions are complete made up bullshit then this crap will never end

Robbie2010

Why should you or anyone else care?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Kotare

but I don't hear you speaking out for the jewish socialist trade union member living in fear of Palestinians threatening to exterminate the State of Israel (and firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian centres).

It is not primarily religious Justcol (if you discount a few ultra orthodox jews) - it is about real estate, water and survival - whether Jewish or Palestinian! But I agree, why the hand wringing about this rather than the worse Sudan, Myanmar, Eritrea, Yemen.... or aren't those 'fashionable'?

Justcol

You may as well post a piece of script from a Star Wars film,
its about as relevant to todays world as that is.

Terrible as it was, times change, people change, that was then, this is now.

If the shoe was on the other foot, the Palestinians would be doing the same to the Jews

MrsFychan

Politicians in NZ seem to have become silent on this now.

So lets just see what the next announcement is going to be, if any from them.

or what the numpty Trump is going to do after the 19th.

FlaviusAetius

If the original premise of the thread was that McCulley is a fantastic FM because he helped Obama (who by the way is such a laughing stock around the world that Kenya is now insisting he was born in Hawaii) play his game of sticking his thumb in Netanyahu's eye and pissing off Trump on the way out of office, one has to question the premise. Why? A FM's primary job is to look out for the geopolitical interests of his own nation.

McCully has opened NZ up to the full force of Trump's vindictiveness in exchange for a smug feeling of selfrighteousness and the short-term warmth of adulation by the Left. With a resurgent China in your part of the world - and when you're a relative midget on the world stage - you need strong and steady friends. Your FM's short-sighted failure to first tend to NZ's interests could prove he's the worst FM in modern history.

It is not inconceivable that Trump might reopen the question of the 4 million acres of ancestral lands stolen from the Maori people in 1863 (and their subsequent status as second-class citizens in their own country) and insist that, consistent with McCully's moral principles, that land be returned with reparations to the Maori people. How would NZ handle a Security Council resolution to that effect sponsored by the US and cosponsored by the usual 3rd world anti-colonial suspects? McCully would have been a far more "wonderful" FM not to have signed NZ on as a sponsor to the SC resolution.

Justcol

Not sure what newspapers you're reading, everyone I know thinks he's been a good president. An honest decent man, with morals and integrity.
Still, that's democracy, enjoy President Trump, see you at the Hunger games !!

FlaviusAetius

"Everyone you know..." Must be a small circle of like-minded folks. Anyway, not how it played out over here.

Got anything to say about the moral standing of Europeans who settled on stolen Maori ancestral lands, 4 million acres of it?

Kotare

Is this ancestral lands meant to be equivalent to native American or Aus aboriginal land (given the Maori arrived in the 15thC) or? The Maori willingly conceded sovereignty (despite revisionist historians) to stop their fellow Maori wiping them out :-)

I would comment there are no pure blooded Maori left. As result of mixed marriages over 150 years just a lot of pale skinned part Maori (some of whom are riding the gravy train). Given the last tribunal hearing saying you were a Maori 'if you culturally thought you were' I am looking for a suitable iwi that will accept an Irish name.

Genesis

Very wise and prophetic words! The Israelis are most definitely the aggressors. I do care about them because they are fellow humans who are being degraded, not bothered if other people on this site think I am feigning it. It is against all my principles to see a group of people so marginalised by such a powerful and insidious aggressor.

Justcol

Tell them you're cashed up, they'll be falling over themselves to welcome you with open arms

Justcol

A bleading heart liberal who thinks he can save the world by giving everything to everyone.
My moral standing is, I couldnt care less !!


Those who are not lead by our noses by the crap thats printed in the media can see things for what they are. I'm sure you can quote lots of interesting articles from facebook and twitter that would point out what a terrible man he is. Truth is I dont give a f**k either way