Holiday entitlement rant
#16
Re: Holiday entitlement rant
When I worked for the NHS in the UK we got credited with our annual leave at the beginning of the financial year, you then could take it any time up to the next financial year start, we were allowed to carry over three days, but these days had to be used in the first two months of the year. We did, however have rules about how many staff could be off at any one time, and, exceot for very special circumstances, no one was allowed more than two weeks at one go.
During most of the year this worked well, but at Christmas there was a rota worked out, so if you had Christmas off one year you would go to the back of the queue for the next year, it usually worked out that people could have Christmas off one year in three, however those of us without children or without young children usually gave up our turn in favour of those with young children.
During most of the year this worked well, but at Christmas there was a rota worked out, so if you had Christmas off one year you would go to the back of the queue for the next year, it usually worked out that people could have Christmas off one year in three, however those of us without children or without young children usually gave up our turn in favour of those with young children.
#17
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Re: Holiday entitlement rant
For us it's more that they don't have the cover for people to take their leave... So they just don't
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Re: Holiday entitlement rant
I understand that he is only entitled to a certain amount of holidays if he leaves the company and that if he has exceeded that then any salary outstanding through the notice period would be minus the holiday entitlement he had not accrued. My point is in the UK you are not told (or we never had the problem) that we had to wait to accrue the 20 entitlement days to use it.
ATM - I wish to go away in the kids 1/2 term but am not able to go along with MrF as he would not of accrued sufficient holiday so he would have to take unpaid leave, which then leaves us possibly in a position of not needing to take holiday later on in the year and getting paid for it or being forced to take as they might not pay out.
ATM - I wish to go away in the kids 1/2 term but am not able to go along with MrF as he would not of accrued sufficient holiday so he would have to take unpaid leave, which then leaves us possibly in a position of not needing to take holiday later on in the year and getting paid for it or being forced to take as they might not pay out.
anyway, that's in the past as i'm now on permanent holiday!
#19
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Its a sad old state of affairs I think, there's an underlying attitude that leave is for pussies and those people wear their massive leave balances like a badge on their chest, forever a martyr to their cause of how little leave they have had in the past x number of years. Whilst quietly sloping off on sick leave or mysteriously absent or 'working at home' at every opportunity. Most of course have the ulterior motive and are using the leave balances like a bank account expecting at some point to get it paid out.
#20
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Thats strange. All the employment contracts I've had (5 in my working lifetime from 1962) all stated what the accrued holiday per month was, or in one case, 4 weeks paid holiday after 12 months service, but existing holidays honoured.
anyway, that's in the past as i'm now on permanent holiday!
anyway, that's in the past as i'm now on permanent holiday!
Australia has the same concept of accruing holidays as described by OP. But it is more for accounting than anything else. In practice people might slip into the negative if they take more holidays than accrued but it will soon catch up and never seen an issue with that. Actually at my place of work, there was always more of an issue with huge leave balances building up.
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Re: Holiday entitlement rant
In NZ it is not uncommon for firms to fully enforce the employment law which says that you do not become entitled to take any leave until you have completed the first twelve months.
#22
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I've not had this, in fact the last three companies I've worked at have had policy about requiring employees to take no less than two full weeks of consecutive leave per year as a measure to prevent fraud and such.
#23
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Off on a tangent but just thinking it could be a worthwhile question to ask during an interview with a new company...
Last edited by Pom_Chch; Feb 28th 2016 at 2:28 am.
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Re: Holiday entitlement rant
This is one of the few things that drives me up the wall backwards about employment practices here.
I work on a very small specialist ward so we have limits on the amount of people who are able to take leave at the same time. People have accrued huge leave balances (I'm talking months of accrued leave and shift leave and lieu days) and take 6 weeks off at a time leaving the rest of us to scrape around and try to take a week here and there.
A full time member of staff might expect to have about 5 public holidays, 4 weeks of annual leave and 1 week of shift leave (so about 6 weeks) per year plus long service of an additional week after 5 years.
I very much strive to take my leave I see it as necessary to maintaining good mental health and being able to bring the right level of care and professionalism to my role. Even with my trying to take as much leave as possible to use it up I am about to enter my third year of employment (when my leave started accruing) with a leave balance of 15 days (for me on my 3 on 3 off roster that's about 4 weeks) that means that over the last 2 years I have had 4 weeks I could not take off. It's nuts.
I work on a very small specialist ward so we have limits on the amount of people who are able to take leave at the same time. People have accrued huge leave balances (I'm talking months of accrued leave and shift leave and lieu days) and take 6 weeks off at a time leaving the rest of us to scrape around and try to take a week here and there.
A full time member of staff might expect to have about 5 public holidays, 4 weeks of annual leave and 1 week of shift leave (so about 6 weeks) per year plus long service of an additional week after 5 years.
I very much strive to take my leave I see it as necessary to maintaining good mental health and being able to bring the right level of care and professionalism to my role. Even with my trying to take as much leave as possible to use it up I am about to enter my third year of employment (when my leave started accruing) with a leave balance of 15 days (for me on my 3 on 3 off roster that's about 4 weeks) that means that over the last 2 years I have had 4 weeks I could not take off. It's nuts.