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Old Nov 4th 2017, 8:47 pm
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I read the article about the present government extending the previous governments offer about PNG based refugees.

It occurs to me however wouldn't it be better for New Zealand to devote its finite humanitarian efforts to diplomacy and peacekeeping instead of being an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff? Australia sees New Zealand as a back door so will never take up New Zealand's offer, this is true under a National or Labour government. At best the refugee program can only assist a few hundred displaced people but diplomacy and peacekeeping can assist thousands or even millions to avoid being displaced in the first place. Which is really a better use of humanitarian funding, assisting a token number of people to start a life in a alien country and culture or assisting thousands if not millions remain in their native country or in neighboring countries? Our policy on refugees makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Charismatic
I read the article about the present government extending the previous governments offer about PNG based refugees.

It occurs to me however wouldn't it be better for New Zealand to devote its finite humanitarian efforts to diplomacy and peacekeeping instead of being an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff? Australia sees New Zealand as a back door so will never take up New Zealand's offer, this is true under a National or Labour government. At best the refugee program can only assist a few hundred displaced people but diplomacy and peacekeeping can assist thousands or even millions to avoid being displaced in the first place. Which is really a better use of humanitarian funding, assisting a token number of people to start a life in a alien country and culture or assisting thousands if not millions remain in their native country or in neighboring countries? Our policy on refugees makes no sense.
I don't think New Zealand's offer helps at all, more so it massively misses the point.

Australia does not need New Zealand's help processing a few hundred boat people. It can cope with that.

What Australia can do without is the people-traffickers claiming that they can successfully transport people into 'the West' and the subsequent flood of death-trap boats that would be expected heading towards Australia's northern coastline as a result.
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Being a presence on the ground in an area of potential conflict
might raise NZ's head above the parapet and in doing so some of
the natives may say that might make kiwiland a target, so best
if we just wind our necks in and not carried away.

Perhaps we could offer to sweep up after the occasional typhoon

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Default Re: Government extends previous immigration offer to Australia

Originally Posted by Charismatic
I read the article about the present government extending the previous governments offer about PNG based refugees.

It occurs to me however wouldn't it be better for New Zealand to devote its finite humanitarian efforts to diplomacy and peacekeeping instead of being an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff? Australia sees New Zealand as a back door so will never take up New Zealand's offer, this is true under a National or Labour government. At best the refugee program can only assist a few hundred displaced people but diplomacy and peacekeeping can assist thousands or even millions to avoid being displaced in the first place. Which is really a better use of humanitarian funding, assisting a token number of people to start a life in a alien country and culture or assisting thousands if not millions remain in their native country or in neighboring countries? Our policy on refugees makes no sense.
This is pretty naive to think that "peacekeepers" and humanitarian programs are going to stop war. Other nations, better funded and better equipped, have been doing this for decades.
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Default Re: Government extends previous immigration offer to Australia

Originally Posted by Justcol
Being a presence on the ground in an area of potential conflict
might raise NZ's head above the parapet and in doing so some of
the natives may say that might make kiwiland a target, so best
if we just wind our necks in and not carried away.

Perhaps we could offer to sweep up after the occasional typhoon
Justcol, I believe has captured the Kiwi mindset on this issue, though New Zealand is already a target. "Sweeping up after the occasional typhoon" and sending the odd hospital ship or detachment of peacekeepers here and there is about the extent of the contribution a country the size of New Zealand can make, and about all the world expects.
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