Uber ban
#1
Uber ban
London strips Uber of licence to operate.
So what's the feeling on Uber? Is this Sadiq Khan backscratching of Black-cab drivers?
Don't like Uber management but don't like the public being denied the right to that type of service . There are alternatives but are any of the alternatives as practical ?
Have never used Uber or any other ride-share app, and most assuredly would never sign up as a driver.
So what's the feeling on Uber? Is this Sadiq Khan backscratching of Black-cab drivers?
Don't like Uber management but don't like the public being denied the right to that type of service . There are alternatives but are any of the alternatives as practical ?
Have never used Uber or any other ride-share app, and most assuredly would never sign up as a driver.
#2
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Joined: Jan 2015
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Re: Uber ban
Uber is great by providing competition to the black cab monopoly and offering a more economical way of getting around London.
But it also does affect the economic well-being of the cab drivers by reducing their incomes (as well as ability to maintain a decent lifestyle in a high cost place like London), and promotes the emergence of even more workers without benefits and security of employment contracts and the rights that come with it (all uber drivers are effectively independent contractors).
What I find ironic (from the other forum I read) is that the same people screaming about the loss of uber are mostly young urban liberals who are also quick to attack the growing loss of job security and benefits in the modern world. They want the cheap benefits of having uber, but they also resist having to pay the higher costs for allowing more people to have employment security in unionised roles.
It's the hypocrisy of the modern day left (especially the young). They want all the benefits that come with a more socialised and regulated workforce and society, but they refuse to pay for it.
But it also does affect the economic well-being of the cab drivers by reducing their incomes (as well as ability to maintain a decent lifestyle in a high cost place like London), and promotes the emergence of even more workers without benefits and security of employment contracts and the rights that come with it (all uber drivers are effectively independent contractors).
What I find ironic (from the other forum I read) is that the same people screaming about the loss of uber are mostly young urban liberals who are also quick to attack the growing loss of job security and benefits in the modern world. They want the cheap benefits of having uber, but they also resist having to pay the higher costs for allowing more people to have employment security in unionised roles.
It's the hypocrisy of the modern day left (especially the young). They want all the benefits that come with a more socialised and regulated workforce and society, but they refuse to pay for it.
#4
Re: Uber ban
London problem. I would guess that 90-95% of the UK population have never used uber.
I do feel sorry for Londoners though. I mean, without uber, how on earth are they going to get around? With only 11 tube lines and 350 train/tube stations, 8,000 buses on 700+ bus routes, 21,000 black cabs and 6,000 licensed mini-cabs, they'll be stranded, just like they were in 2011 before uber started.
I do feel sorry for Londoners though. I mean, without uber, how on earth are they going to get around? With only 11 tube lines and 350 train/tube stations, 8,000 buses on 700+ bus routes, 21,000 black cabs and 6,000 licensed mini-cabs, they'll be stranded, just like they were in 2011 before uber started.
#5
Re: Uber ban
Uber is great by providing competition to the black cab monopoly and offering a more economical way of getting around London.
But it also does affect the economic well-being of the cab drivers by reducing their incomes (as well as ability to maintain a decent lifestyle in a high cost place like London), and promotes the emergence of even more workers without benefits and security of employment contracts and the rights that come with it (all uber drivers are effectively independent contractors).
What I find ironic (from the other forum I read) is that the same people screaming about the loss of uber are mostly young urban liberals who are also quick to attack the growing loss of job security and benefits in the modern world. They want the cheap benefits of having uber, but they also resist having to pay the higher costs for allowing more people to have employment security in unionised roles.
It's the hypocrisy of the modern day left (especially the young). They want all the benefits that come with a more socialised and regulated workforce and society, but they refuse to pay for it.
But it also does affect the economic well-being of the cab drivers by reducing their incomes (as well as ability to maintain a decent lifestyle in a high cost place like London), and promotes the emergence of even more workers without benefits and security of employment contracts and the rights that come with it (all uber drivers are effectively independent contractors).
What I find ironic (from the other forum I read) is that the same people screaming about the loss of uber are mostly young urban liberals who are also quick to attack the growing loss of job security and benefits in the modern world. They want the cheap benefits of having uber, but they also resist having to pay the higher costs for allowing more people to have employment security in unionised roles.
It's the hypocrisy of the modern day left (especially the young). They want all the benefits that come with a more socialised and regulated workforce and society, but they refuse to pay for it.
I quite agree with you!
#6
Re: Uber ban
London problem. I would guess that 90-95% of the UK population have never used uber.
I do feel sorry for Londoners though. I mean, without uber, how on earth are they going to get around? With only 11 tube lines and 350 train/tube stations, 8,000 buses on 700+ bus routes, 21,000 black cabs and 6,000 licensed mini-cabs, they'll be stranded, just like they were in 2011 before uber started.
I do feel sorry for Londoners though. I mean, without uber, how on earth are they going to get around? With only 11 tube lines and 350 train/tube stations, 8,000 buses on 700+ bus routes, 21,000 black cabs and 6,000 licensed mini-cabs, they'll be stranded, just like they were in 2011 before uber started.
#7
I still dont believe it..
Joined: Oct 2013
Location: 12 degrees north
Posts: 2,775
Re: Uber ban
Wakey wakey, uber havent disappeared, the mayors cronies have never liked uber, and of course the old school cab mafia hate them for taking away their monopolistic meal ticket. Most lindoners hate black cab drivers for the foul rip off merchants they are. Imho, uber is just an example of the new marketplace.
However, uber have already said they are to simply appeal, nothing can actually be stopped till the legal process completes as if uber ultimately win and were limited pro tem in any way, the damages subsequently claimed would be astronomic - 2 years? A deal will be done and they will continue.
Anyway the mayor has bigger probkems, following the death of a pedestrian by a cyclist who has just gone to clink, they have dared to threaten cyclists with requiring a road tax, license plates and insurance, assasination looms...
However, uber have already said they are to simply appeal, nothing can actually be stopped till the legal process completes as if uber ultimately win and were limited pro tem in any way, the damages subsequently claimed would be astronomic - 2 years? A deal will be done and they will continue.
Anyway the mayor has bigger probkems, following the death of a pedestrian by a cyclist who has just gone to clink, they have dared to threaten cyclists with requiring a road tax, license plates and insurance, assasination looms...
Last edited by uk_grenada; Sep 23rd 2017 at 8:49 am.
#8
Re: Uber ban
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Anyway the mayor has bigger probkems, following the death of a pedestrian by a cyclist who has just gone to clink, they have dared to threaten cyclists with requiring a road tax, license plates and insurance, assasination looms...[/QUOTE]
Road tax doesn't exist in actual fact, what does exist is a car tax and a commercial vehicle tax. Tax for cyclists has been mooted for many years, not a new thing, but the idea that cyclists would need insurance and license plates is, frankly, ridiculous. What is being considered is a change to the laws regarding cyclists, the case in point having to use a Victorian law which bans 'cycling furiously'. The cyclist in question was riding a bike which was illegal for use on roads as it didn't have a front brake, and with the huge increase in the number of cyclists on roads, particularly in city and town centres, then it's a valid idea to give them some sort of legal framework to adhere to. There is a case for the cycling proficiency test to be introduced, and for it to be a requirement for people to have at least completed a course, currently anyone can get on a cycle and ride through any of the UK cities with having had no instruction of the correct way to ride, approach junctions etc. There also needs to be some sort of legislation regarding the electric power assisted bikes which are becoming more popular.
Anyway the mayor has bigger probkems, following the death of a pedestrian by a cyclist who has just gone to clink, they have dared to threaten cyclists with requiring a road tax, license plates and insurance, assasination looms...[/QUOTE]
Road tax doesn't exist in actual fact, what does exist is a car tax and a commercial vehicle tax. Tax for cyclists has been mooted for many years, not a new thing, but the idea that cyclists would need insurance and license plates is, frankly, ridiculous. What is being considered is a change to the laws regarding cyclists, the case in point having to use a Victorian law which bans 'cycling furiously'. The cyclist in question was riding a bike which was illegal for use on roads as it didn't have a front brake, and with the huge increase in the number of cyclists on roads, particularly in city and town centres, then it's a valid idea to give them some sort of legal framework to adhere to. There is a case for the cycling proficiency test to be introduced, and for it to be a requirement for people to have at least completed a course, currently anyone can get on a cycle and ride through any of the UK cities with having had no instruction of the correct way to ride, approach junctions etc. There also needs to be some sort of legislation regarding the electric power assisted bikes which are becoming more popular.
#9
I still dont believe it..
Joined: Oct 2013
Location: 12 degrees north
Posts: 2,775
Re: Uber ban
Road tax doesn't exist in actual fact, what does exist is a car tax and a commercial vehicle tax. Tax for cyclists has been mooted for many years, not a new thing, but the idea that cyclists would need insurance and license plates is, frankly, ridiculous. What is being considered is a change to the laws regarding cyclists, the case in point having to use a Victorian law which bans 'cycling furiously'. The cyclist in question was riding a bike which was illegal for use on roads as it didn't have a front brake, and with the huge increase in the number of cyclists on roads, particularly in city and town centres, then it's a valid idea to give them some sort of legal framework to adhere to. There is a case for the cycling proficiency test to be introduced, and for it to be a requirement for people to have at least completed a course, currently anyone can get on a cycle and ride through any of the UK cities with having had no instruction of the correct way to ride, approach junctions etc. There also needs to be some sort of legislation regarding the electric power assisted bikes which are becoming more popular.
Training exists and can be made a requirement, but cyclists will still just ignore the laws.
#10
Re: Uber ban
Wakey wakey, uber havent disappeared, the mayors cronies have never liked uber, and of course the old school cab mafia hate them for taking away their monopolistic meal ticket. Most lindoners hate black cab drivers for the foul rip off merchants they are. Imho, uber is just an example of the new marketplace.
#11
Re: Uber ban
Love how those who generally post pro brexit views don't like a protectionist policy.
#12
I still dont believe it..
Joined: Oct 2013
Location: 12 degrees north
Posts: 2,775
Re: Uber ban
I wouldnt call them poorly renumerated,i also would say their position is dinosaur like in its protectionism. Ultimately the market needs to be level and the customer has to decide, currently its uber by a country mile.
#13
Re: Uber ban
I read black cab drivers nationally claim an income of about 50k on average, that london fares are the 2nd highest on the planet, but also that they may also be hiding as much as 100k income from the taxman. If the average is 50k, lets say 75 for london?
I wouldnt call them poorly renumerated,i also would say their position is dinosaur like in its protectionism. Ultimately the market needs to be level and the customer has to decide, currently its uber by a country mile.
I wouldnt call them poorly renumerated,i also would say their position is dinosaur like in its protectionism. Ultimately the market needs to be level and the customer has to decide, currently its uber by a country mile.
#14
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Location: 12 degrees north
Posts: 2,775
Re: Uber ban
Uber drivers must apply for new criminal record checks | Daily Mail Online
#15
I still dont believe it..
Joined: Oct 2013
Location: 12 degrees north
Posts: 2,775
Re: Uber ban
Suggest you sign this petition - supporting uber in london - impressive - half a million signatures , nobody except the black cab drivers and their friends think the black cab is a worthwhile institution.
https://www.change.org/p/save-your-u...ntent=ex5%3Av4
https://www.change.org/p/save-your-u...ntent=ex5%3Av4