So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
Mar 6th 2017, 9:58 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
However you could also argue that Annabelle from Islington voted Remain because voting for Brexit is 'racist'.
There will be ignorance on both sides of the debate. Unfortunately the Leave side are vilified to such a degree...
It's a shame that some people still can't accept the result though. You would think that some of the Remainers wished that the whole process would fail just so they could tell you 'I told you so'
There will be ignorance on both sides of the debate. Unfortunately the Leave side are vilified to such a degree...
It's a shame that some people still can't accept the result though. You would think that some of the Remainers wished that the whole process would fail just so they could tell you 'I told you so'
Seriously, I'm sick of this "move on" bullshit. I don't know anyone who doesn't accept that the vote was clear and that means Britain is leaving. However, that does not mean those of us who believe this is an incredibly stupid self-inflicted wound won't keep making the case that this is wrong and won't keep pointing out the pitfalls of the various paths being described. Because it's clear that people voted for Leave with lots of different views about what that might entail and some of the options now proposed, if they had been put to a direct vote, would very likely have been defeated. Hard Brexit would be a disaster for the British economy and I'm glad that people keep pointing this out and why.
Just like the anti-EU brigade never shut up and never let up for all the years of UK membership, I think you can assume the same will be the future behaviour from those think Britain and Europe are better off when the UK is in the EU.
Mar 6th 2017, 10:18 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
Seriously, I'm sick of this "move on" bullshit. I don't know anyone who doesn't accept that the vote was clear and that means Britain is leaving. However, that does not mean those of us who believe this is an incredibly stupid self-inflicted wound won't keep making the case that this is wrong and won't keep pointing out the pitfalls of the various paths being described. Because it's clear that people voted for Leave with lots of different views about what that might entail and some of the options now proposed, if they had been put to a direct vote, would very likely have been defeated. Hard Brexit would be a disaster for the British economy and I'm glad that people keep pointing this out and why.
The EU is falling apart, I'm glad we've jumped ship before it was too late!
Mar 6th 2017, 11:06 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
I take all sources with a pinch of salt 
I wouldn't be surprised if the EU was no longer within the next 10 years. Once we leave, the EU will be losing it's second biggest paymaster. With the appointment of Trump, Geert Wilders and even potentially Le Pen...
The increasing debt/unemployment issues within the PIIGS countries.
The EU is far from rosy...
I wouldn't be surprised if the EU was no longer within the next 10 years. Once we leave, the EU will be losing it's second biggest paymaster. With the appointment of Trump, Geert Wilders and even potentially Le Pen...
The increasing debt/unemployment issues within the PIIGS countries.
The EU is far from rosy...
Mar 6th 2017, 11:24 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
I take all sources with a pinch of salt
I wouldn't be surprised if the EU was no longer within the next 10 years. Once we leave, the EU will be losing it's second biggest paymaster. With the appointment of Trump, Geert Wilders and even potentially Le Pen...
The increasing debt/unemployment issues within the PIIGS countries.
The EU is far from rosy...
I wouldn't be surprised if the EU was no longer within the next 10 years. Once we leave, the EU will be losing it's second biggest paymaster. With the appointment of Trump, Geert Wilders and even potentially Le Pen...
The increasing debt/unemployment issues within the PIIGS countries.
The EU is far from rosy...
I would so love to be wrong, because now it's not about being in or out, but the prospects of the UK, but I don't see anything other than a big long dip for the UK. The longer it goes the worse it gets with no end in sight and when businesses / people see no prospects they leave.
I'll happily be wrong. Very happily. But after 6 years here, I was sort of looking forward to returning next year with the Mrs. That's since gone on hold because we don't see the UK as an attractive proposition at the moment. As uncertain as Southampton's defence when Yoshida starts (that's very ****ing uncertain).
Mar 7th 2017, 4:02 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
I can't help it. 
I'm struggling to make any sense of this.
Ahh yes, because UK sees all the "2.6 trillion dollars", and we tax and gain from that. No we don't one bit. The only economy that matters to the UK is the UK Economy, the global 2.6 (or what ever the figure is) really doesn't matter as we don't gain from it. From memory when the great crashed happened in 2011/2012, we didn't care one bit about the EU, it was when will USA get back on its feet.
I don't really think adding the economy of Estonia & Romania to buff up the figures of the "EU" economy really shows anything other than potential fear mongering of what we are missing out. But as I said above, we gain nothing from it so who cares.
Ahh the Trade deals we will leave, i say what trade deals; the EU has barely any.
I don't really think adding the economy of Estonia & Romania to buff up the figures of the "EU" economy really shows anything other than potential fear mongering of what we are missing out. But as I said above, we gain nothing from it so who cares.
Ahh the Trade deals we will leave, i say what trade deals; the EU has barely any.
Mar 7th 2017, 4:22 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
No point squabbling about the referendum. It's done and over with.
Will May call a general election? Interesting article from Wee Willie Hague in today's Telegraph that makes a convincing case for her to call for one. I highly respect him (and he was a Remainer, FYI).
Will May call a general election? Interesting article from Wee Willie Hague in today's Telegraph that makes a convincing case for her to call for one. I highly respect him (and he was a Remainer, FYI).
Mar 7th 2017, 4:49 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
Would you invest in a company that hasn't put out verified accounts for 40 years?
No, i thought not.
Eu is a big gravy train - look at kinnock in the 70s he hated it now him, his wife, daughetr and both sons are employed by it.
Pigs in trough, so much better out, and wanting to "fine" us to leave?
Good luck with that junker, it's a dinosaur and a money making machine for the select few, and don't get me started on the crazy laws we have to abide by even though the UK didn't want them in the first place.
No, i thought not.
Eu is a big gravy train - look at kinnock in the 70s he hated it now him, his wife, daughetr and both sons are employed by it.
Pigs in trough, so much better out, and wanting to "fine" us to leave?
Good luck with that junker, it's a dinosaur and a money making machine for the select few, and don't get me started on the crazy laws we have to abide by even though the UK didn't want them in the first place.
Mar 7th 2017, 5:12 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
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You are saying we are leaving the EU economy which is 2.6trillion, this is a bloated figure fake figure from an economy that we do not gain from. As we don't gain money from taxing it. It's a fictitious figure on an excel spreadsheet.
The only economy that matters is the UK economy, as that effects us. By stating that we are leaving the 2nd largest economy really does not matter, how does the economy of Romania or Estonia really, and i mean really affect the UK.
The only economy we really care on is USA, i should of also put China.
You are saying we are leaving the EU economy which is 2.6trillion, this is a bloated figure fake figure from an economy that we do not gain from. As we don't gain money from taxing it. It's a fictitious figure on an excel spreadsheet.
The only economy that matters is the UK economy, as that effects us. By stating that we are leaving the 2nd largest economy really does not matter, how does the economy of Romania or Estonia really, and i mean really affect the UK.
The only economy we really care on is USA, i should of also put China.
You don't even know what you voted for. You read some headlines, got '17 straight bananas' as an answer from 2+2 and then ticked the 'leave' box.
Would you invest in a company that hasn't put out verified accounts for 40 years?
No, i thought not.
Eu is a big gravy train - look at kinnock in the 70s he hated it now him, his wife, daughetr and both sons are employed by it.
Pigs in trough, so much better out, and wanting to "fine" us to leave?
Good luck with that junker, it's a dinosaur and a money making machine for the select few, and don't get me started on the crazy laws we have to abide by even though the UK didn't want them in the first place.
No, i thought not.
Eu is a big gravy train - look at kinnock in the 70s he hated it now him, his wife, daughetr and both sons are employed by it.
Pigs in trough, so much better out, and wanting to "fine" us to leave?
Good luck with that junker, it's a dinosaur and a money making machine for the select few, and don't get me started on the crazy laws we have to abide by even though the UK didn't want them in the first place.
No, I thought not.
Mar 7th 2017, 5:34 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
What? The EU economy is worth over 19 trillion dollars. Is that fake? Or just 2.6 because it's wrong?
You don't even know what you voted for. You read some headlines, got '17 straight bananas' as an answer from 2+2 and then ticked the 'leave' box.
Would you close the doors at your high street shop, refusing to allow customers to buy on the hopes that the Chinese and Indians online would notice your new website?
No, I thought not.
You don't even know what you voted for. You read some headlines, got '17 straight bananas' as an answer from 2+2 and then ticked the 'leave' box.
Would you close the doors at your high street shop, refusing to allow customers to buy on the hopes that the Chinese and Indians online would notice your new website?
No, I thought not.
You think that the german car makers (especially) aren't going to want a decent trade deal?
No, i thought not.
Mar 7th 2017, 5:46 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
Depending on your perspective, the EU is the world's biggest closed market.
And, of course, many countries flourish outside the EU. And even trade with the EU. It's a real shock
For me, economics isn't the end all be all of life. I do care about other things. If you only care about money then I guess there's virtue to staying in the EU.
Last, but not least, let us stop pretending we know anything about economics and economies and trade deals and trade treaties. Even proper economics barely understand 'em
And, of course, many countries flourish outside the EU. And even trade with the EU. It's a real shock
For me, economics isn't the end all be all of life. I do care about other things. If you only care about money then I guess there's virtue to staying in the EU.
Last, but not least, let us stop pretending we know anything about economics and economies and trade deals and trade treaties. Even proper economics barely understand 'em
Mar 7th 2017, 5:57 am
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The UK has voted to leave the EU for a boat load of reasons which, for a large portion of leave voters are extremely unlikely to start and end with economic benefits.
I worry that the UK has cut off its nose to spite its face and that it doesn't come out of this as anything but isolated, stagnant and with a giant wall at Dover.
I've said before - I hope it does, but storming out the party to try and start new ones isn't easy, quick or cheap.
Mar 7th 2017, 5:59 am
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Re: So we're leaving the EU including the Single Market
On the other hand, how well will continental demand for UK-manufactured Hondas and Nissans and Vauxhall/Opel and Ford vehicles stand up to 15% tariffs? That is not to mention the substantial exports of auto parts from British UK manufacturers. Europe is a very significant market for those producers. Do you really think there is a premium for British cars or car parts in Europe?
No. I thought not.
PS How much is the Nissan "guarantee" going to cost UK taxpayers?
PPS Given that the Brexiteers are convinced that the EU is going down the tubes then I guess the currency will necessarily follow suit so presumably there won't be much advantage to the Brexit devaluation (aside from the fact that most of the materials required are imported anyway).