And so it begins...
Jan 22nd 2017, 11:53 am
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You've made a point here that I think others are missing a bit which is the recalibration of what is acceptable and "normal" that appears to be taking place. Trump and his minions are institutionalising a whole suite of behaviours that would have been considered completely unacceptable before.
Jan 22nd 2017, 1:47 pm
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You've made a point here that I think others are missing a bit which is the recalibration of what is acceptable and "normal" that appears to be taking place. Trump and his minions are institutionalising a whole suite of behaviours that would have been considered completely unacceptable before. Much as I am concerned about the evisceration of climate change mitigation, civil rights and public access to healthcare (I have friends and family in the US likely to be affected) that is already underway, I am scared sh*tless about the aggressive assault on facts and reality.
Trump himself tweeted about "record" crowds at his inauguration when all independent evidence including photos and reports of users on the DC metro indicate his event had much lower crowds than for either of Obama's inaugurations - and even lower than W's. Then his press secretary attacked the media yesterday for lying about inauguration crowds when in fact they were simply reporting factually. Again the unsupported line of "record crowds" was trotted out. The strategy seems to be to dismiss and discredit fact based reporting as the province of the lying, biased "mainstream media". This then means that facts are simply one more piece of noise contesting the airspace with propaganda and bullsh*t. Basically, the truth is whatever the Trump administration wants it to be.
And people are bleating about giving Trump "a chance" and "getting over" Hillary's loss. But that's not the point. This has to be challenged before it becomes the new norm but I fear greatly that respectable news organisations are letting themselves be bullied into going along with this agenda. Somewhere Goebbels and Potemkin are raising a toast in admiration of the work of Kevin Bannon....
Trump himself tweeted about "record" crowds at his inauguration when all independent evidence including photos and reports of users on the DC metro indicate his event had much lower crowds than for either of Obama's inaugurations - and even lower than W's. Then his press secretary attacked the media yesterday for lying about inauguration crowds when in fact they were simply reporting factually. Again the unsupported line of "record crowds" was trotted out. The strategy seems to be to dismiss and discredit fact based reporting as the province of the lying, biased "mainstream media". This then means that facts are simply one more piece of noise contesting the airspace with propaganda and bullsh*t. Basically, the truth is whatever the Trump administration wants it to be.
And people are bleating about giving Trump "a chance" and "getting over" Hillary's loss. But that's not the point. This has to be challenged before it becomes the new norm but I fear greatly that respectable news organisations are letting themselves be bullied into going along with this agenda. Somewhere Goebbels and Potemkin are raising a toast in admiration of the work of Kevin Bannon....
Regarding the crowds CNN have released a gigapixel photo which appears to contradict the photos showing large gaps in the crowd
Gigapixel: The inauguration of Donald Trump
You can sort of understand why his administration is being so aggressive towards the press that a week earlier released a slew of unsubstantiated claims that were designed to destroy his reputation. Claims which now seem to be largely forgotten due to lack of evidence. A classic LBJ inspired move it would seem
Jan 22nd 2017, 2:00 pm
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If you think about it, let's say 4 million over all decided to protest across the US. Trump wanted to get the economy moving and create more business activity.
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
Jan 22nd 2017, 2:05 pm
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Obama created a perfect storm for the "deplorables" to rise up and say "We've had enough".
They only have themselves to blame.
Jan 22nd 2017, 2:07 pm
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Regarding the crowds CNN have released a gigapixel photo which appears to contradict the photos showing large gaps in the crowd
Gigapixel: The inauguration of Donald Trump
You can sort of understand why his administration is being so aggressive towards the press that a week earlier released a slew of unsubstantiated claims that were designed to destroy his reputation. Claims which now seem to be largely forgotten due to lack of evidence. A classic LBJ inspired move it would seem
Gigapixel: The inauguration of Donald Trump
You can sort of understand why his administration is being so aggressive towards the press that a week earlier released a slew of unsubstantiated claims that were designed to destroy his reputation. Claims which now seem to be largely forgotten due to lack of evidence. A classic LBJ inspired move it would seem
Jan 22nd 2017, 2:10 pm
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more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
Jan 23rd 2017, 4:09 am
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If you think about it, let's say 4 million over all decided to protest across the US. Trump wanted to get the economy moving and create more business activity.
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
Jan 23rd 2017, 5:10 am
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But anyway, give the man a chance.
We should be encouraged that his first foreign invitee is Theresa May: all help in strengthening the perception of GB's position in the Brexit negotiations gratefully received.
Jan 23rd 2017, 5:18 am
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That figure takes no account of the multiplier effect.........struggling to remember A level economics from long ago.
But anyway, give the man a chance.
We should be encouraged that his first foreign invitee is Theresa May: all help in strengthening the perception of GB's position in the Brexit negotiations gratefully received.
But anyway, give the man a chance.
We should be encouraged that his first foreign invitee is Theresa May: all help in strengthening the perception of GB's position in the Brexit negotiations gratefully received.
Huge positive for the UK. We need all the help we can get at the moment I feel.
Jan 23rd 2017, 5:22 am
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Re: And so it begins...
If you think about it, let's say 4 million over all decided to protest across the US. Trump wanted to get the economy moving and create more business activity.
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
How much do you think they all spent making signs from a hobby store, air fare, Hotel, car rental, gas, bus charter, all those hats they were wearing, food and drink?
They beat themselves over hate, yet more money was transacted to businesses within the first 24 hours of his presidency than in any other, due to him just being the President.
Figure the average spent has to be between $25-$100.... Times 4 million....Hmmm. @ $25 a pop that's between $100million minimum and over $400 million
Jan 23rd 2017, 5:37 am
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Jan 23rd 2017, 5:45 am
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Well, he does have a point, you must admit. It did add a bit of economic stimulus. 
I think my favourite quote of the women's march was:
'Trump's only been president for two days but he's already managed to get a million shrews off their fat arses and start exercising! I love this man!'
I think my favourite quote of the women's march was:
'Trump's only been president for two days but he's already managed to get a million shrews off their fat arses and start exercising! I love this man!'
Jan 23rd 2017, 5:53 am
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Jan 23rd 2017, 5:55 am
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And before anyone gets their knickers in a twist I had no problems with the march. Know a few people who participated both in the US and the one in London. It was important to them, it made them happy, it's part of the democratic world we live in. And it's a good reminder to Trump that he has opposition.
(whether Trump will notice or that it will be forgotten this time next week is a different story).
(whether Trump will notice or that it will be forgotten this time next week is a different story).