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Old Dec 7th 2017, 7:07 pm   #16
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No I did see that, same principle- if we expect the migrants/refugees/immigrants to show decent respect and gratitude living in UK and Europe, I think same should be shown to Saudi Arabia by not flouting their rules and customs, as much as we might disagree with them.
Maybe the difference is that we see so many Saudis flouting their own laws and customs, both in Saudi and particularly outside of it. There again, fly from Luton to Magaluf and part of the argument gets vapourised in a fog of alcohol, shell suits and swearing. Or perhaps that is our culture.
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Old Dec 7th 2017, 8:36 pm   #17
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Maybe the difference is that we see so many Saudis flouting their own laws and customs, both in Saudi and particularly outside of it. There again, fly from Luton to Magaluf and part of the argument gets vapourised in a fog of alcohol, shell suits and swearing. Or perhaps that is our culture.
I see your point, especially as I had several Saudis in my classes at uni , half of whom probably broke every single rule of Saudi culture and state that existed ! I just think reasonable that one respect another country, as people should respect the UK- especially if granted permission to live there.
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Yes, the Saudi bureaucracy will freak out. Are you still technically married or not? If not she has no chance to come with you.

While Saudis break their own cultural norms with regularity and often just for sport - not to mention, Westerners often don't understand what really is a norm and what is just gossip or long-ago tradition - as anyone in the Middle East knows there are one set of rules for locals and a different one for foreigners (and then different ones again depending on where the foreigner is from).

Do as they say and not as they do.
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No I did see that, same principle- if we expect the migrants/refugees/immigrants to show decent respect and gratitude living in UK and Europe, I think same should be shown to Saudi Arabia by not flouting their rules and customs, as much as we might disagree with them.
Europe and the UK are different though.

They give Citizenship and even before that they give generous benefits like schooling, housing, disability allowance, pensions and full access to the NHS.

Expatriates in the Gulf get renewable work visas and have no benefits of any kind. It is also nearly impossible to get citizenship or even a long term residency.

If any European country had a migration policy that was half as strict as the Gulf we would never hear the end of how racist and intolerant Europeans are.

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Old Dec 8th 2017, 1:03 pm   #20
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Europe and the UK are different though.

They give Citizenship and even before that they give generous benefits like schooling, housing, disability allowance, pensions and full access to the NHS.

Expatriates in the Gulf get renewable work visas and have no benefits of any kind. It is also nearly impossible to get citizenship or even a long term residency.

If any European country had a migration policy that was half as strict as the Gulf we would never hear the end of how racist and intolerant Europeans are.

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Good point about Europe vs Gulf migration policy differences.

All I am saying is if I wish to live and work in another country, I believe in respecting local traditions and laws , just as I would expect immigrants/migrants to do the same in UK or Europe.

As far strict migration policy Europe seems to accept that a continued flow will come form Africa and Middle East, so much for "intolerance".
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Good point about Europe vs Gulf migration policy differences.

All I am saying is if I wish to live and work in another country, I believe in respecting local traditions and laws , just as I would expect immigrants/migrants to do the same in UK or Europe.

As far strict migration policy Europe seems to accept that a continued flow will come form Africa and Middle East, so much for "intolerance".
In public yes, but what I do in my own home is my own affair. Which is how I think it is for most expats in the Gulf.
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In public yes, but what I do in my own home is my own affair. Which is how I think it is for most expats in the Gulf.
Can't say I disagree, though I still maintain if goes to another country one should or try to abide by their rules.
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Can't say I disagree, though I still maintain if goes to another country one should or try to abide by their rules.
Dunno about that. I've broken the rules in every country I've lived in, UK included.

That's just the way I roll.
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Good point about Europe vs Gulf migration policy differences.

All I am saying is if I wish to live and work in another country, I believe in respecting local traditions and laws , just as I would expect immigrants/migrants to do the same in UK or Europe.

As far strict migration policy Europe seems to accept that a continued flow will come form Africa and Middle East, so much for "intolerance".
Absolutely.

Even just a quick visit should be one where you take a bit of time to make sure you're aware of basic manners and customs of the locals.

In all cases obeying the law is a must too.

UK/Europe give so much more than we get as expatriates - yet demand nothing in return. And people wonder why we have "no go areas" and rising ethnic nationalism? Created by idiots afraid to offend. Notice how no locals here are afraid of offending anyone else...they flaunt their culture and law and way of life in their own land - as it should be.

Type "the most racist countries in the world" in Google and look at the top five hits if you want to see how terrible European nations are.

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Absolutely.

Even just a quick visit should be one where you take a bit of time to make sure you're aware of basic manners and customs of the locals.

In all cases obeying the law is a must too.

UK/Europe give so much more than we get as expatriates - yet demand nothing in return. And people wonder why we have "no go areas" and rising ethnic nationalism? Created by idiots afraid to offend. Notice how no locals here are afraid of offending anyone else...they flaunt their culture and law and way of life in their own land - as it should be.

Type "the most racist countries in the world" in Google and look at the top five hits if you want to see how terrible European nations are.

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The situation in Europe is absurd, a continent engaged in cultural and security suicide- yet so many willing to defend the policies that have and are leading to a destruction of much of the continent. The no-go zones you refer to are unbelievable that they exist and government/media/elite/academia afraid to face the obvious.

Much is granted to expatriates/migrants/immigrants/refugees in Europe which will only attract millions ore in upcoming decade.
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The situation in Europe is absurd, a continent engaged in cultural and security suicide- yet so many willing to defend the policies that have and are leading to a destruction of much of the continent. The no-go zones you refer to are unbelievable that they exist and government/media/elite/academia afraid to face the obvious.

Much is granted to expatriates/migrants/immigrants/refugees in Europe which will only attract millions ore in upcoming decade.
I was born and raised in Luton and my family are mixed. Those no-go zones exist...the media and establishment are lying to us.

I am currently helping a friend in the Met get a job elsewhere because he goes home every night in a rage that he cannot do his job properly. They are told to avoid certain areas, and to behave differently with different communities. They are constantly threatened with racial discrimination lawsuits so have to tiptoe around arresting people who express opinions about government policy on twitter while real crime goes unpunished.

The establishment is working to destroy the Britain we grew up in. That is the only conclusion I can make.

It's a disaster and I would put money down that within 30 years we we see some parts of either Britain or France declare their own state or autonomous state. And I would bet they will grant it without a shot being fired. The policy is appeasement. A people who fear death more than slavery quickly become slaves.

In 30 years we will still be able to come through immigration in Dubai and see all Arabs at immigration (and let's not forget there are black Arabs too) and in every important office around the country.

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Maybe the difference is that we see so many Saudis flouting their own laws and customs, both in Saudi and particularly outside of it. There again, fly from Luton to Magaluf and part of the argument gets vapourised in a fog of alcohol, shell suits and swearing. Or perhaps that is our culture.
I remember my Nan telling me when we go overseas we have to look our best and act our best so the locals don't think "they're all like that".

We have no shame anymore as a people and couldn't care less if other nations think us savages or gentlemen.

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I remember my Nan telling me when we go overseas we have to look our best and act our best so the locals don't think "they're all like that".

We have no shame anymore as a people and couldn't care less if other nations think us savages or gentlemen.

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