Eva

Oh? Have we met?






Utter balderdash!

shakh your bootie

A fair and valid point - crime in general is far more prevalent in the major cities of Europe and the USA than it is here. Most expats would agree that they feel safer on the streets of the UAE than London or Manchester.

shiva

do you really believe that god wanted or wants women to be lashed after being gang raped???

How can you possibly believe that that is what god wants?????

i put it to you sir that your entire belief system is a great big pile of stinking poo.

arbroath_abroad

go visit pollok.

seriously, that is so prehistoric its laughable. Our bible says a lot of things also, but for society to progress changes in attitudes must evolve along the way...That is where certain religions are sadly let down..

shiva

because we love differing opinions and debate

MataHari

ok...so what about my point of view that sometimes a woman can be seen as partly responsible...I really am interested to hear the views about that...or is the woman ALWAYS innocent when she is raped...

Beard Man

well, so many things are happening in the ksa recently... but there is a big gap between saudi society and the media ...

the media is being controlled by people who have different interests and who are not known to be religious or understand religious principles.. there for they are against religious scholars... they try to make a big story out of anything small just to embarrass them.

do you know that the lady and the man were not Sunni they were she'ees and that the layer took the whole thing to the media just to make a pressure on the court...

there are a lot of details in the story that people don't really know about..

and all what i want is a prove that the rape happened...

shiva

hhhmmm let me see.....is a woman capable of raping herself...?

Ok that given then no.

What your talking about is a) consentual sex where a woman "cries rape" afterwards and is tehrefore not rape at all.
And b)Given that a woman cant rape herself even if she led a man into temptation he still had to make a consious descision to rape her. so the blame lies with him not her.

Eva

Mata,

By definition-yes she is if she has been 'raped'.

Beard Man

you are talking to a Muslim and Arabian at the same time.. i am pure arabian not like other muslims or arabs.. i know about islam many things..

all muslims believe in Quraan as the first sorce of religous principlies

and Quraan is the talk of God... i wish that one day you will grap a transelation of Quraan and read it ...to know what i mean

so Yes i believe this is the order of God himself cause it is written then.

MataHari

so a woman can do anything to a guy to get him going and still come out with a clean slate when he rapes her...she is in no way to blame for that or even partly responsible....

Beard Man

you can change a woman's nature ... and evolve it as you say ...
but is it good ??

or is it better to keep the woman the way she was created ...

shiva

I have read the koran and have spent probably about the same time in arabia as you have so i am far from ignorant of islam and its beliefs.

But I put it to you again, Do you really believe that this is gods will?????
If so then I believe that should you ever meet god you may be in for a surprise.

shakh your bootie

Indeed, but even amongst the ummah there is disagreement about this case. See for example:

http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2007/12/...-not-adultery/

shiva

Did he really type that or am i seeing things