Desi London Mayor
May 8th 2016, 11:53 am
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Re: Desi London Mayor
some of you seriously crack me up...proper arm chair activists.....all of you took off from the UK to better yourselves and now you are throwing tantrums because London has a muslim mayor.....talk about hypocrisy in the truest sense of the word.
May 8th 2016, 12:03 pm
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Maybe we left UK because we don't like what it has become?
May 8th 2016, 12:15 pm
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Let's see any of the local Arab countries elect a Christian or Jew to a prominent position 
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
May 8th 2016, 12:31 pm
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Let's see any of the local Arab countries elect a Christian or Jew to a prominent position
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
The opposition party (that ruled for years) has an Italian origin leader.
(Don't worry I won't say anything else--I agree with Meow)
May 8th 2016, 12:34 pm
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What does India have to do with the Middle East?
Would said woman have been elected had she not married into a certain dynasty? See - different value sets.
Would said woman have been elected had she not married into a certain dynasty? See - different value sets.
May 8th 2016, 12:36 pm
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There is a heap of irony in a bunch of expats complaining about "foreigners" taking over their country. (Yes, Norm temporary v citizens but still a valid point.)
May 8th 2016, 1:01 pm
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Let's see any of the local Arab countries elect a Christian or Jew to a prominent position
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
One thing I've learned from living outside the UK is that most of the non-Western world operates on very different value sets that affects their politics, meaning it's one rule for the UK but a different rule elsewhere. We're chastised if we worry about the potential (whether real or imagined) implications of a Muslim mayor of London yet no one ever complains about the lack of non-Muslim leadership in the Middle East. Except Israel, of course, and see how contentious that is!
Democracy shouldn't mean voting for the least worst option.
Teresa Jowell was the clear choice amongst Labour party members in the initial vote to represent the Labour party in the 2016 mayoral election.
That did not fit the agenda and she was promoted/pushed into the house of lords to back away.
Leaving Khan as a sure nomination, so who did the Consevatives put up against him?
Zac Goldsmith. Who had absolutely no interest in being mayor, had very tepid support from his party and pretty much did everything he could to antagonize the man in the street, of whichever creed.
This is the Goldsmith of a very significant family influential on British and European politics for a century or more. Through inheritance he is conservatively estimated to be worth £400 million.
Then he goes and marries a Rothschild heiress, making the couple not only worth a billion plus but from two of the biggest decision making behind the scenes families the west has ever known.
Oh and both families through their various guises are investing/influencing/manipulating heavily in Pakistan and its neighbours at present.
Never wanted to win, made sure he didn't
Hence my original point. Democracy is not democracy if their is only one choice.
Oh and Goldsmith's sister is Jemima Khan, married to Imran Khan. Massively influential in what soon will be the west's preferred choice of government in Pakistan.
May 8th 2016, 1:51 pm
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There isn't an Italian Indian community in India that Sonia belongs to and identifies with ; Sonia is Indianized and fully assimilated into a particular Indian community. So her example is absolutely nothing like that of Sadiq.
May 8th 2016, 2:00 pm
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It was democratc but a democratic process isn't necessarily good, because pure democracy can lead to bullying of minorities and introduction of anti human rights laws. Egypt democratically elected Mohammed Mursi who then embarked on an Islamist agenda that sought to marginalize non Islamists. Then Mursi got overthrown by the dictator El Sisi who did have substantial popular support at the start but embarked on his own authoritarian agenda.
May 8th 2016, 2:03 pm
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Temporary vs citizens is a very, very valid point as well. And I am not aware of anyone saying 'foreigners' are taking over either. We don't need to say that when my hometown has the native English as an ethnic minority now and London is about 50% foreign born. They may not 'take over' but there is an identifiable effort to replace/supplant/surpass the indigenous people and little effort to assimilate people into their culture...
Many in these forums marry foreigners, travel the world and generally are quite a bit more understanding of foreign people and culture than those back in the UK.
If someone is saying no foreigners should even visit for any reason they would hypocritical of course. But who's said that or anything close?
N.
Many in these forums marry foreigners, travel the world and generally are quite a bit more understanding of foreign people and culture than those back in the UK.
If someone is saying no foreigners should even visit for any reason they would hypocritical of course. But who's said that or anything close?
N.
Anyway...
May 8th 2016, 2:06 pm
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It was democratc but a democratic process isn't necessarily good, because pure democracy can lead to bullying of minorities and introduction of anti human rights laws. Egypt democratically elected Mohammed Mursi who then embarked on an Islamist agenda that sought to marginalize non Islamists. Then Mursi got overthrown by the dictator El Sisi who did have substantial popular support at the start but embarked on his own authoritarian agenda.
No system is perfect, but I don't think anyone can suggest that the UK system is intrinsically bad. Heaven knows the selection process is not ideal but what's the alternative? Too few people seem to be sufficiently interested in actually changing anything as persistent election turnouts demonstrate.
Maybe people get the politicians and government they deserve...
May 8th 2016, 2:08 pm
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It was democratc but a democratic process isn't necessarily good, because pure democracy can lead to bullying of minorities and introduction of anti human rights laws. Egypt democratically elected Mohammed Mursi who then embarked on an Islamist agenda that sought to marginalize non Islamists. Then Mursi got overthrown by the dictator El Sisi who did have substantial popular support at the start but embarked on his own authoritarian agenda.