Data Gathering
#31
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This is where they'll build your political affiliation (that's how I found it, from a link moaning that facebook assumes your political stance), but the information is very accurate and relevant so what's the harm in facebook making those estimations about me and sharing content based on this?
Anyone got any thoughts on it all?
Anyone got any thoughts on it all?
#32
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Regarding smoking, what would bother me, is if it got to the point that people in general are so online, having so much data collected and information available about them, that when someone wasn't on fb etc, when applying for insurance, they were automatically charged more because they were seen as a risk, almost as if they had something to hide.
I see that as a possibility.
Generally speaking, if you don't join the masses in all off this stuff, you must be hiding something, whether it's your health, political views, or whatever.
I see that as a possibility.
Generally speaking, if you don't join the masses in all off this stuff, you must be hiding something, whether it's your health, political views, or whatever.
As an LGBTQ (and whatever other letters we're adding at the moment) person, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill. Indeed as an insufferable c***, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill.
I know several people who have had severe family trauma with involuntary outing because they could not figure out the infernal privacy settings on FB. One reason I have never joined. It is not for Facebook to decide with whom I want to share important and potentially risky personal information yet we seem to be mindlessly surrendering that prerogative. And the expectation that we should be happily prepared to do this becomes a new standard group norm - you must join those who have "nothing to hide". That stands ultimately to make the world an even more dangerous and unpleasant place to live.
#33
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i think this, posted in the Bali thread by Desert Shaikh, particularly the last scene in the video, pertains exactly to this topic also....
I'm sure some of you FB whizzes can figure out how to embed it properly... Er it seems I managed somehow but I'm sure some boffin - correction, server - in Peoria or Pune has logged it in my record of poor technical literacy against which my application for a licence to participate in future society will soon be judged.
I'm sure some of you FB whizzes can figure out how to embed it properly... Er it seems I managed somehow but I'm sure some boffin - correction, server - in Peoria or Pune has logged it in my record of poor technical literacy against which my application for a licence to participate in future society will soon be judged.
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#34
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This is part of why the "I have nothing to hide" sanctimoniousness is so deadly. That implies that we should all be prepared to have all of our information available at all times - and to whom exactly? Those of you who seem very blase about this: are you really sure that's what you want? Be very careful what you are giving away.
As an LGBTQ (and whatever other letters we're adding at the moment) person, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill. Indeed as an insufferable c***, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill.
I know several people who have had severe family trauma with involuntary outing because they could not figure out the infernal privacy settings on FB. One reason I have never joined. It is not for Facebook to decide with whom I want to share important and potentially risky personal information yet we seem to be mindlessly surrendering that prerogative. And the expectation that we should be happily prepared to do this becomes a new standard group norm - you must join those who have "nothing to hide". That stands ultimately to make the world an even more dangerous and unpleasant place to live.
As an LGBTQ (and whatever other letters we're adding at the moment) person, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill. Indeed as an insufferable c***, I certainly want to control who has access to any information about me as there are many people, known and unknown, who would wish me ill.
I know several people who have had severe family trauma with involuntary outing because they could not figure out the infernal privacy settings on FB. One reason I have never joined. It is not for Facebook to decide with whom I want to share important and potentially risky personal information yet we seem to be mindlessly surrendering that prerogative. And the expectation that we should be happily prepared to do this becomes a new standard group norm - you must join those who have "nothing to hide". That stands ultimately to make the world an even more dangerous and unpleasant place to live.
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It's easy to pin the blame on facebook but confirmation bias and echo chambers are as old as time.
#36
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I'm not blaming face book for that, however when (and increasingly so) all your news comes through one source with its sophisticated algorithms to curate to your tastes, it's a little different to days of old.
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Re: Data Gathering
I know several people who have had severe family trauma with involuntary outing because they could not figure out the infernal privacy settings on FB. One reason I have never joined. It is not for Facebook to decide with whom I want to share important and potentially risky personal information yet we seem to be mindlessly surrendering that prerogative. And the expectation that we should be happily prepared to do this becomes a new standard group norm - you must join those who have "nothing to hide". That stands ultimately to make the world an even more dangerous and unpleasant place to live.
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We have far more sources for news and information these days that it's a sheer struggle to keep track of them all. Because of that people continue to stick with what they know and already trust, largely because they like seeing and hearing what they're told by those sources. The Guardian is definitely an echo chamber, has always been an echo chamber, and is no different today than 25 years ago. The DT does the same.
I remember having a discussion with a wise person who commented that a few decades ago the majority of news was controlled by a small handful of outlets. Today there is a far broader selection to pick from. What's actually happened is the lost of control of the media narrative by that previous small handful of outlets, who were usually left / establishment leaning. They are aghast at it, usually because they saw themselves as having a moral responsibility for filtering news to the common masses, but the truth is that they were no better or morally superior and were highly susceptible to their own biases.
#39
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Imagine if in 1950s Germany, the government had access to so much data on people. Ann Frank would never have been able to finish her diary.
Zee Germans are great these-days on data protection for these exact paranoia concerns.
Zee Germans are great these-days on data protection for these exact paranoia concerns.
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Anne Frank was already dead by the 1950s but your point is taken. The question goes back to what I earlier alluded to and it's whether you trust your government or not.
Speaking of Germans, if you explore their cities on google earth you'll find a lot of buildings blurred out. I find it intriguing. It's very rare to find blurred buildings or houses on google earth in the UK. That says much about the differences between the Germans and British.
#42
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No, not at all. It's a great example - and exactly why Germans lead in data protection: they learnt from history. Obviously, I forgot when the war ended
Do you trust your government? Given that they have lied repeatedly and show no interest in stopping that, or data collection... probably not. Nor do I wear a tin foil hat.
Downloaded my facebook data - they only have the one post I ever did and nothing else. The email address that's registered to them stopped working several years ago and I have no intention of updating it. I only use facebook to complain on company's websites about customer service when things need getting resolved.
Instagram... now that's an issue but that's mostly me watching videos of girls twerking or men deadlifting.
Do you trust your government? Given that they have lied repeatedly and show no interest in stopping that, or data collection... probably not. Nor do I wear a tin foil hat.
Downloaded my facebook data - they only have the one post I ever did and nothing else. The email address that's registered to them stopped working several years ago and I have no intention of updating it. I only use facebook to complain on company's websites about customer service when things need getting resolved.
Instagram... now that's an issue but that's mostly me watching videos of girls twerking or men deadlifting.
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No, not at all. It's a great example - and exactly why Germans lead in data protection: they learnt from history. Obviously, I forgot when the war ended
Do you trust your government? Given that they have lied repeatedly and show no interest in stopping that, or data collection... probably not. Nor do I wear a tin foil hat.
Downloaded my facebook data - they only have the one post I ever did and nothing else. The email address that's registered to them stopped working several years ago and I have no intention of updating it. I only use facebook to complain on company's websites about customer service when things need getting resolved.
Instagram... now that's an issue but that's mostly me watching videos of girls twerking or men deadlifting.
Do you trust your government? Given that they have lied repeatedly and show no interest in stopping that, or data collection... probably not. Nor do I wear a tin foil hat.
Downloaded my facebook data - they only have the one post I ever did and nothing else. The email address that's registered to them stopped working several years ago and I have no intention of updating it. I only use facebook to complain on company's websites about customer service when things need getting resolved.
Instagram... now that's an issue but that's mostly me watching videos of girls twerking or men deadlifting.
One might even argue that the more personal data the government has, the harder it will be for them to deliberately abuse it to my disadvantage. The less information the government has one me relative to other people could make it easier for mischievous people to build up a false profile and assign it to me.
Of course, if Corbyn and McDonnell ever get into power I might be singing a different tune!
#44
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Yes, generally speaking, I do trust the government in the sense that I trust them not to abuse my information. All governments, even the most well intended ones, are riddled with incompetence and mistakes made by well meaning people, and that would the greatest risk to personal data. But I do have faith that the British government (and society by extension) will continue to muddle its way to the future as fairly and honestly and well meaning as possible. So I'm not unduly worried about the British government having access to my personal data.
One might even argue that the more personal data the government has, the harder it will be for them to deliberately abuse it to my disadvantage. The less information the government has one me relative to other people could make it easier for mischievous people to build up a false profile and assign it to me.
Of course, if Corbyn and McDonnell ever get into power I might be singing a different tune!
One might even argue that the more personal data the government has, the harder it will be for them to deliberately abuse it to my disadvantage. The less information the government has one me relative to other people could make it easier for mischievous people to build up a false profile and assign it to me.
Of course, if Corbyn and McDonnell ever get into power I might be singing a different tune!
Personally I wouldn't trust the Brits over anyone else, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
#45
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You could have said the same about mother Beeb for a long time now.
We have far more sources for news and information these days that it's a sheer struggle to keep track of them all. Because of that people continue to stick with what they know and already trust, largely because they like seeing and hearing what they're told by those sources. The Guardian is definitely an echo chamber, has always been an echo chamber, and is no different today than 25 years ago. The DT does the same.
I remember having a discussion with a wise person who commented that a few decades ago the majority of news was controlled by a small handful of outlets. Today there is a far broader selection to pick from. What's actually happened is the lost of control of the media narrative by that previous small handful of outlets, who were usually left / establishment leaning. They are aghast at it, usually because they saw themselves as having a moral responsibility for filtering news to the common masses, but the truth is that they were no better or morally superior and were highly susceptible to their own biases.
We have far more sources for news and information these days that it's a sheer struggle to keep track of them all. Because of that people continue to stick with what they know and already trust, largely because they like seeing and hearing what they're told by those sources. The Guardian is definitely an echo chamber, has always been an echo chamber, and is no different today than 25 years ago. The DT does the same.
I remember having a discussion with a wise person who commented that a few decades ago the majority of news was controlled by a small handful of outlets. Today there is a far broader selection to pick from. What's actually happened is the lost of control of the media narrative by that previous small handful of outlets, who were usually left / establishment leaning. They are aghast at it, usually because they saw themselves as having a moral responsibility for filtering news to the common masses, but the truth is that they were no better or morally superior and were highly susceptible to their own biases.
That was my point