Brexit Negotiations
#31
Re: Brexit Negotiations
More examples of the crazy delusion that got us here....
The UK contribution to the EU budget is far less significant for the EU than the UK's ability to maintain free trade with the EU is for the UK. If there is a hard Brexit and the UK pays nothing the EU will cope easily. Without free trade with Europe significant swathes of British business will perish. That's the plain and simple fact
As for the Brexit divorce bill, again it is a completely ignored fact that the UK obtains a large number of government services through the EU which it would otherwise have to provide for itself. And indeed the cost to the UK for doing those things for itself post-Brexit was something that seems to have been completely ignored. There are a lot of arcane but essential civil service activities involved which are more efficiently performed by one centralised EU office (at least in principle). Perhaps the most relevant one for the immediate future is management of external trade.
The argument over the divorce bill is largely about what period of expenditure and benefit should be covered. Telling the EU to "go whistle" is as enlightened a strategy as we have come to expect from this bunch of nincompoops: Davis, Fox & Johnson - sounds like a bunch of ambulance chasers just without the compassion and ruthless effectiveness...
And this audit thing is another UKIP straw man distraction like the 5 presidents - meaningless and irrelevant but sounds momentarily compelling. When was the last set of audited full UK government accounts that you saw?
The UK contribution to the EU budget is far less significant for the EU than the UK's ability to maintain free trade with the EU is for the UK. If there is a hard Brexit and the UK pays nothing the EU will cope easily. Without free trade with Europe significant swathes of British business will perish. That's the plain and simple fact
As for the Brexit divorce bill, again it is a completely ignored fact that the UK obtains a large number of government services through the EU which it would otherwise have to provide for itself. And indeed the cost to the UK for doing those things for itself post-Brexit was something that seems to have been completely ignored. There are a lot of arcane but essential civil service activities involved which are more efficiently performed by one centralised EU office (at least in principle). Perhaps the most relevant one for the immediate future is management of external trade.
The argument over the divorce bill is largely about what period of expenditure and benefit should be covered. Telling the EU to "go whistle" is as enlightened a strategy as we have come to expect from this bunch of nincompoops: Davis, Fox & Johnson - sounds like a bunch of ambulance chasers just without the compassion and ruthless effectiveness...
And this audit thing is another UKIP straw man distraction like the 5 presidents - meaningless and irrelevant but sounds momentarily compelling. When was the last set of audited full UK government accounts that you saw?
#32
Re: Brexit Negotiations
More examples of the crazy delusion that got us here....
The UK contribution to the EU budget is far less significant for the EU than the UK's ability to maintain free trade with the EU is for the UK. If there is a hard Brexit and the UK pays nothing the EU will cope easily. Without free trade with Europe significant swathes of British business will perish. That's the plain and simple fact
As for the Brexit divorce bill, again it is a completely ignored fact that the UK obtains a large number of government services through the EU which it would otherwise have to provide for itself. And indeed the cost to the UK for doing those things for itself post-Brexit was something that seems to have been completely ignored. There are a lot of arcane but essential civil service activities involved which are more efficiently performed by one centralised EU office (at least in principle). Perhaps the most relevant one for the immediate future is management of external trade.
The argument over the divorce bill is largely about what period of expenditure and benefit should be covered. Telling the EU to "go whistle" is as enlightened a strategy as we have come to expect from this bunch of nincompoops: Davis, Fox & Johnson - sounds like a bunch of ambulance chasers just without the compassion and ruthless effectiveness...
And this audit thing is another UKIP straw man distraction like the 5 presidents - meaningless and irrelevant but sounds momentarily compelling. When was the last set of audited full UK government accounts that you saw?
The UK contribution to the EU budget is far less significant for the EU than the UK's ability to maintain free trade with the EU is for the UK. If there is a hard Brexit and the UK pays nothing the EU will cope easily. Without free trade with Europe significant swathes of British business will perish. That's the plain and simple fact
As for the Brexit divorce bill, again it is a completely ignored fact that the UK obtains a large number of government services through the EU which it would otherwise have to provide for itself. And indeed the cost to the UK for doing those things for itself post-Brexit was something that seems to have been completely ignored. There are a lot of arcane but essential civil service activities involved which are more efficiently performed by one centralised EU office (at least in principle). Perhaps the most relevant one for the immediate future is management of external trade.
The argument over the divorce bill is largely about what period of expenditure and benefit should be covered. Telling the EU to "go whistle" is as enlightened a strategy as we have come to expect from this bunch of nincompoops: Davis, Fox & Johnson - sounds like a bunch of ambulance chasers just without the compassion and ruthless effectiveness...
And this audit thing is another UKIP straw man distraction like the 5 presidents - meaningless and irrelevant but sounds momentarily compelling. When was the last set of audited full UK government accounts that you saw?
#34
Soupy twist
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,271
Re: Brexit Negotiations
But that's just another example of the airy hand-waving and empty tabloid-friendly sloganeering that got us into this mess. What, exactly, is the "EU diplomatic gravy train"? With reference to figures, and relevant comparisons to the cost of diplomacy generally?
#37
Soupy twist
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,271
Re: Brexit Negotiations
They only backed away from it as a "suggestion" the morning after. Up until that point, nobody on the Leave side claimed that it was anything other than a guarantee of £350m a week for the NHS.
#39
Re: Brexit Negotiations
I remember looking into trying to get into the EU diplomatic fast stream when I finished my undergrad. Salaries were significantly higher that the UK equivalent even before taking into account the perks and lower taxation.
#41
Re: Brexit Negotiations
And still nobody can suggest ONE SINGLE potentially advantageous specific credible trade deal that the UK might pursue in the event of a hard Brexit....
#42
Re: Brexit Negotiations
this covers some of it Full extent of EU's diplomatic service revealed - Telegraph
I remember looking into trying to get into the EU diplomatic fast stream when I finished my undergrad. Salaries were significantly higher that the UK equivalent even before taking into account the perks and lower taxation.
I remember looking into trying to get into the EU diplomatic fast stream when I finished my undergrad. Salaries were significantly higher that the UK equivalent even before taking into account the perks and lower taxation.
#44
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Australian trade minister says special relationship with UK is now for yesteryear - Economy
New Zealand can't go back, despite Boris Johnson's promises
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...nsons-promises
LSE BREXIT – Global trade can’t replace the value of the EU Single Market for the UK
Greek economy now growing faster than the UK - Business Insider
Last edited by mrken30; Sep 5th 2017 at 9:49 pm.
#45
Re: Brexit Negotiations
Japan is not 'too polite' to tell Britain what it thinks of Brexit - Business Insider
Australian trade minister says special relationship with UK is now for yesteryear - Economy
Greek economy now growing faster than the UK - Business Insider
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...nsons-promises
LSE BREXIT – Global trade can’t replace the value of the EU Single Market for the UK
Greek economy now growing faster than the UK - Business Insider
Australian trade minister says special relationship with UK is now for yesteryear - Economy
Greek economy now growing faster than the UK - Business Insider
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...nsons-promises
LSE BREXIT – Global trade can’t replace the value of the EU Single Market for the UK
Greek economy now growing faster than the UK - Business Insider
US and UK to start trade talks next month to ensure deal soon after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ars-shinzo-abe
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e...ree-trade-deal
Australian PM says he won't 'muck around' and wants a free trade deal with the UK 'speedily' after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...xit-trade-deal
NZ 'front of queue' for UK trade deal | Radio New Zealand News
Now we're shown we can use Google, how about constructing an actual argument?