Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
Jun 17th 2011, 5:53 am
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Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
Bahrainin authorities arrest dozens of Doctors and Nurses for treating injured Shia protesters and other alleged crimes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...r-2270675.html
So Bahrain does not care about Doctors' hypocratic oath? The Indy article mentions how this contravenes Geneva Convention rules. If Médecins Sans Frontières aka Doctors Without Borders treated the injured, wouldn't they also be guilt of running afoul of the authorities?
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From the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...edics-on-trial
Likely a lot of trumped up charges.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_871672.html
One doctor, an intensive care specialist, was held after she was photographed weeping over a dead protester. Another was arrested in the theatre room while operating on a patient.
Many of the doctors, aged from 33 to 65, have been "disappeared" – held incommunicado or at undisclosed locations. Their families do not know where they are. Nurses, paramedics and ambulance staff have also been detained.
The surgeon's British colleague said yesterday: "My friend is a very nice, very hardworking surgeon and totally apolitical. He was taken in for interrogation and hasn't been seen since.
So Bahrain does not care about Doctors' hypocratic oath? The Indy article mentions how this contravenes Geneva Convention rules. If Médecins Sans Frontières aka Doctors Without Borders treated the injured, wouldn't they also be guilt of running afoul of the authorities?
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From the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...edics-on-trial
The doctors and nurses were charged during a closed hearing in a security court authorised under emergency rule imposed in mid-March. Charges include participating in efforts to topple Bahrain's Sunni monarchy, taking part in illegal rallies, harming the public by spreading false news, denying medical attention to several Sunni patients, assault, embezzlement and possession of weapons.
During the unrest, medical staff in Bahrain repeatedly said they were under professional duty to treat all casualties and strongly rejected claims by authorities that helping anti-government protesters was akin to supporting their cause.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_871672.html
International rights groups have criticized Bahrain's campaign against medical professionals, saying that authorities have deliberately targeted doctors and nurses who treated hundreds of injured demonstrators at the Salmaniya hospital during a weeks of demonstrations against the 200-year rule of the Al Khalifa family.
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Jun 17th 2011, 7:12 am
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Re: Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
you really should read up on the situation instead of reinforcing the one-sided view being spouted by western media. i will say no more!
what is your beef with bahrain anyway?
what is your beef with bahrain anyway?
Jun 17th 2011, 7:41 am
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Re: Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
Bahrain is a Sunni minority ruling over the majority Shia who are obviously discriminated against as evidenced by all the major government positions being staffed by Sunnis. You could swap Bahrain for any other country in similar circumstances and my view would be the same. So it isn't specifically about me singling out Bahrain, rather it is dislike of sectarian minority heavy handed rule over the majority.
Western governments are Pro Bahraini elite so when the media does report news critical of Bahrain, I tend to believe it is essentially true even if some of the details are not quite right.
Jun 17th 2011, 1:51 pm
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Re: Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
Boom,
You really should be able to see that their is two sides to the Bahrain troubles, therefore I have added some thoughts so that perhaps it may enlightened you to the other side of the argument.
Firstly,I would like to point out that when the protest originally started over legitimate grievances, it suddenly turned very ugly when King Hamad and his son agreed to listen to their demands.
They (shia) thought there was a weakness on the part of authorities, and sure enough, with encouragement or a push from outside, some became trouble makers and carried out the following:
* Schoolchildren as young as six to seven-year-olds reporting for normal classes were put on lorries to the Pearl (GCC) roundabout or left unattended outside schools.
* Salmaniya Medical Complex was occupied and visitors were barred, and it has even been suggested that some doctors/ nurses deliberately made injuries worse on purpose to obtain more media reaction.
* A strike was called for political reasons to disrupt highly essential economic businesses. This put a very heavy burden on the economy and its citizens concerned about the country's well-being.
* They attacked security personnel by running over them time and again and attacked expat workers who had to take refuge at sport clubs or move to their friends' homes.
* They went on a rampage at the Bahrain University campus and attacked students.
* They blocked highways with rubbish bins or by digging, etc., denying the public the ability to undertake their day to day business.
There are more examples and I can go on and on. But I request a clarification - if anyone has any right to carry out such acts??
If so, then who is responsible for ensuring that Bahrain a country, which was deprived and infringe on the rights of others, is protected. Maybe, they are above the law.
I also wish to point out that any developed and democratic country would take action when its public or national security is threatened.
It is fair to say that double standards are used if you are a small country, whatever you do, you are criticised and I for one being in Bahrain during all the unrest and being British was appalled watching the media during the unrest, and even more appalled by the one sided newspaper articles.
Yes, Bahrain needs to move forward and yes like every other country has its own issues, but I challenge them to provide evidence that they have not benefitted from free education, free medical care, housing and overseas training, etc. How else did they became doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers administrators etc?
The countries security was threatened that is why the action of martial law was taken, you choose to read the one sided articles, and therefore unfortunately you dont know all the facts. Their are definate problems with human rights, I know first hand !! But you should see that Bahrain has reacted like a lot of other countries around the world would react, and have had only a few years at handling democracy as well as human rights, other countries have had hundreds of years like the US, but they still have guantanamo bay.
You really should be able to see that their is two sides to the Bahrain troubles, therefore I have added some thoughts so that perhaps it may enlightened you to the other side of the argument.
Firstly,I would like to point out that when the protest originally started over legitimate grievances, it suddenly turned very ugly when King Hamad and his son agreed to listen to their demands.
They (shia) thought there was a weakness on the part of authorities, and sure enough, with encouragement or a push from outside, some became trouble makers and carried out the following:
* Schoolchildren as young as six to seven-year-olds reporting for normal classes were put on lorries to the Pearl (GCC) roundabout or left unattended outside schools.
* Salmaniya Medical Complex was occupied and visitors were barred, and it has even been suggested that some doctors/ nurses deliberately made injuries worse on purpose to obtain more media reaction.
* A strike was called for political reasons to disrupt highly essential economic businesses. This put a very heavy burden on the economy and its citizens concerned about the country's well-being.
* They attacked security personnel by running over them time and again and attacked expat workers who had to take refuge at sport clubs or move to their friends' homes.
* They went on a rampage at the Bahrain University campus and attacked students.
* They blocked highways with rubbish bins or by digging, etc., denying the public the ability to undertake their day to day business.
There are more examples and I can go on and on. But I request a clarification - if anyone has any right to carry out such acts??
If so, then who is responsible for ensuring that Bahrain a country, which was deprived and infringe on the rights of others, is protected. Maybe, they are above the law.
I also wish to point out that any developed and democratic country would take action when its public or national security is threatened.
It is fair to say that double standards are used if you are a small country, whatever you do, you are criticised and I for one being in Bahrain during all the unrest and being British was appalled watching the media during the unrest, and even more appalled by the one sided newspaper articles.
Yes, Bahrain needs to move forward and yes like every other country has its own issues, but I challenge them to provide evidence that they have not benefitted from free education, free medical care, housing and overseas training, etc. How else did they became doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers administrators etc?
The countries security was threatened that is why the action of martial law was taken, you choose to read the one sided articles, and therefore unfortunately you dont know all the facts. Their are definate problems with human rights, I know first hand !! But you should see that Bahrain has reacted like a lot of other countries around the world would react, and have had only a few years at handling democracy as well as human rights, other countries have had hundreds of years like the US, but they still have guantanamo bay.
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Jun 18th 2011, 5:32 am
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Re: Bahrain arrests Doctors and Nurses
Boom,
You really should be able to see that their is two sides to the Bahrain troubles, therefore I have added some thoughts so that perhaps it may enlightened you to the other side of the argument.
Firstly,I would like to point out that when the protest originally started over legitimate grievances, it suddenly turned very ugly when King Hamad and his son agreed to listen to their demands. Ignoring the fact that those demands have been in place for decades they only espoused talks once global media had focused on them so that's a weak point
They (shia) thought there was a weakness on the part of authorities, and sure enough, with encouragement or a push from outside, some became trouble makers and carried out the following: Is that not exactly what the UK and NATO are doing in Libya?
* Schoolchildren as young as six to seven-year-olds reporting for normal classes were put on lorries to the Pearl (GCC) roundabout or left unattended outside schools.
* Salmaniya Medical Complex was occupied and visitors were barred, and it has even been suggested that some doctors/ nurses deliberately made injuries worse on purpose to obtain more media reaction.And the source for this would be ?
* A strike was called for political reasons to disrupt highly essential economic businesses. This put a very heavy burden on the economy and its citizens concerned about the country's well-being.Err isn't that what all strikes in all countries aim to do. As for well being surely that should include all citizens and residents not a select few
* They attacked security personnel by running over them time and again and attacked expat workers who had to take refuge at sport clubs or move to their friends' homes.Granted out of the thousands a handful did
* They went on a rampage at the Bahrain University campus and attacked students.
* They blocked highways with rubbish bins or by digging, etc., denying the public the ability to undertake their day to day business.Wasn't that rather the point
There are more examples and I can go on and on. But I request a clarification - if anyone has any right to carry out such acts??Er yes when you are omitted from any form of democratic ballot box protests
If so, then who is responsible for ensuring that Bahrain a country, which was deprived and infringe on the rights of others, is protected. Maybe, they are above the law. Think you'll find that is exactly why people were protesting
I also wish to point out that any developed and democratic country would take action when its public or national security is threatened.
[COLOR="rgb(65, 105, 225)"]See there's the problem right there, it's not a democracy or particularly developed, it is and always has been a brutal dictatorial minority led regime built and run to enrichen the few[/
It is fair to say that double standards are used if you are a small country, whatever you do, you are criticised and I for one being in Bahrain during all the unrest and being British was appalled watching the media during the unrest, and even more appalled by the one sided newspaper articles.
They may have been biased but the fact remains it's was a brutal suppression of a protest with entirely legitamate demands, regardless of who if any outsiders fostered it. Remember Bahrain has still been unable to provide any evidence of outside interference to the us who at this stage would accept pretty much any shoddy evidence to defend their own position in the country
Yes, Bahrain needs to move forward and yes like every other country has its own issues, but I challenge them to provide evidence that they have not benefitted from free education, free medical care, housing and overseas training, etc. How else did they became doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers administrators etc? So people should be thankful for what they get from the dictatorship and shut up about what they aren't allowed?
The countries security was threatened that is why the action of martial law was taken, you choose to read the one sided articles, and therefore unfortunately you dont know all the facts. Their are definate problems with human rights, I know first hand !! But you should see that Bahrain has reacted like a lot of other countries around the world would react, and have had only a few years at handling democracy as well as human rights, other countries have had hundreds of years like the US, but they still have guantanamo bay.
You really should be able to see that their is two sides to the Bahrain troubles, therefore I have added some thoughts so that perhaps it may enlightened you to the other side of the argument.
Firstly,I would like to point out that when the protest originally started over legitimate grievances, it suddenly turned very ugly when King Hamad and his son agreed to listen to their demands. Ignoring the fact that those demands have been in place for decades they only espoused talks once global media had focused on them so that's a weak point
They (shia) thought there was a weakness on the part of authorities, and sure enough, with encouragement or a push from outside, some became trouble makers and carried out the following: Is that not exactly what the UK and NATO are doing in Libya?
* Schoolchildren as young as six to seven-year-olds reporting for normal classes were put on lorries to the Pearl (GCC) roundabout or left unattended outside schools.
* Salmaniya Medical Complex was occupied and visitors were barred, and it has even been suggested that some doctors/ nurses deliberately made injuries worse on purpose to obtain more media reaction.And the source for this would be ?
* A strike was called for political reasons to disrupt highly essential economic businesses. This put a very heavy burden on the economy and its citizens concerned about the country's well-being.Err isn't that what all strikes in all countries aim to do. As for well being surely that should include all citizens and residents not a select few
* They attacked security personnel by running over them time and again and attacked expat workers who had to take refuge at sport clubs or move to their friends' homes.Granted out of the thousands a handful did
* They went on a rampage at the Bahrain University campus and attacked students.
* They blocked highways with rubbish bins or by digging, etc., denying the public the ability to undertake their day to day business.Wasn't that rather the point
There are more examples and I can go on and on. But I request a clarification - if anyone has any right to carry out such acts??Er yes when you are omitted from any form of democratic ballot box protests
If so, then who is responsible for ensuring that Bahrain a country, which was deprived and infringe on the rights of others, is protected. Maybe, they are above the law. Think you'll find that is exactly why people were protesting
I also wish to point out that any developed and democratic country would take action when its public or national security is threatened.
[COLOR="rgb(65, 105, 225)"]See there's the problem right there, it's not a democracy or particularly developed, it is and always has been a brutal dictatorial minority led regime built and run to enrichen the few[/
It is fair to say that double standards are used if you are a small country, whatever you do, you are criticised and I for one being in Bahrain during all the unrest and being British was appalled watching the media during the unrest, and even more appalled by the one sided newspaper articles.
They may have been biased but the fact remains it's was a brutal suppression of a protest with entirely legitamate demands, regardless of who if any outsiders fostered it. Remember Bahrain has still been unable to provide any evidence of outside interference to the us who at this stage would accept pretty much any shoddy evidence to defend their own position in the country
Yes, Bahrain needs to move forward and yes like every other country has its own issues, but I challenge them to provide evidence that they have not benefitted from free education, free medical care, housing and overseas training, etc. How else did they became doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers administrators etc? So people should be thankful for what they get from the dictatorship and shut up about what they aren't allowed?
The countries security was threatened that is why the action of martial law was taken, you choose to read the one sided articles, and therefore unfortunately you dont know all the facts. Their are definate problems with human rights, I know first hand !! But you should see that Bahrain has reacted like a lot of other countries around the world would react, and have had only a few years at handling democracy as well as human rights, other countries have had hundreds of years like the US, but they still have guantanamo bay.
You may be right about the media and some of the protestors actions but how anyone with an ounce of sense can't see that the regimes response was outrageously heavy handed is beyond me. Llets be honest here were it not a base for the fitb fleet the level of international outrage would have been deafening
To use your own last statement, you forget Bahrain isn't a democracy, it doesn't handle human rights even remotely and as for the rest of the world you are definitely forgetting that the US threw of a non democratic regime via violent protest as did the UK and most other democracies around the world, by their very nature regimes tend to ignore protest and historically are only removed through violent means
Jun 18th 2011, 5:38 am
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Those expats who saw the protestors as threatening their brunches and other luxuries took a knee jerk anti protestor stance. They are as one sided as the OP.
Jun 18th 2011, 5:55 am
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Ignorance is never an excuse, it is self imposed and maintained with effort.
You may be right about the media and some of the protestors actions but how anyone with an ounce of sense can't see that the regimes response was outrageously heavy handed is beyond me. Llets be honest here were it not a base for the fitb fleet the level of international outrage would have been deafening
To use your own last statement, you forget Bahrain isn't a democracy, it doesn't handle human rights even remotely and as for the rest of the world you are definitely forgetting that the US threw of a non democratic regime via violent protest as did the UK and most other democracies around the world, by their very nature regimes tend to ignore protest and historically are only removed through violent means
You may be right about the media and some of the protestors actions but how anyone with an ounce of sense can't see that the regimes response was outrageously heavy handed is beyond me. Llets be honest here were it not a base for the fitb fleet the level of international outrage would have been deafening
To use your own last statement, you forget Bahrain isn't a democracy, it doesn't handle human rights even remotely and as for the rest of the world you are definitely forgetting that the US threw of a non democratic regime via violent protest as did the UK and most other democracies around the world, by their very nature regimes tend to ignore protest and historically are only removed through violent means
However, the fact that Saudi was getting very involved and that Iran has shown a keen interest in Bahrain in the past made it impossible for the west to step up in a big way. They were very aware that any serious instability could kick off a major war in the region which would affect not only the gulf, but also the western world. Unfortunately at the end of the day it seems everything is about oil (again...)
Jun 18th 2011, 5:57 am
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Jun 18th 2011, 6:11 am
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To be fair I'm really surprised at the views in this thread, really surprised. Mark - your post is more one-sided than BTV?!!
In saying that, each to their own, we're all here living it and will have different takes and experiences to bring to the table. I'll keep my opinions for that beer we keep talking about!
In saying that, each to their own, we're all here living it and will have different takes and experiences to bring to the table. I'll keep my opinions for that beer we keep talking about!
Jun 18th 2011, 6:52 am
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Protestors went overboard and attacked Asian workers
Similarly Salmaniya was a political hotspot where i am sure Asians may have been denied treatment.
But were paramedics not beaten up for helping injured protestors?
Didnt Pakistani police beat up and kill protestors?
2 policemen were run over and the perpetrators will be sentenced and possibly executed
What about the dozens of protestors killed by the police ?
Similarly Salmaniya was a political hotspot where i am sure Asians may have been denied treatment.
But were paramedics not beaten up for helping injured protestors?
Didnt Pakistani police beat up and kill protestors?
2 policemen were run over and the perpetrators will be sentenced and possibly executed
What about the dozens of protestors killed by the police ?
Jun 18th 2011, 8:42 am
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To be fair I'm really surprised at the views in this thread, really surprised. Mark - your post is more one-sided than BTV?!!
In saying that, each to their own, we're all here living it and will have different takes and experiences to bring to the table. I'll keep my opinions for that beer we keep talking about!
In saying that, each to their own, we're all here living it and will have different takes and experiences to bring to the table. I'll keep my opinions for that beer we keep talking about!
The beer is definitely long overdue...Should we start a thread or arrange it on the quiet?
30 June seems like a good day...
Jun 18th 2011, 4:43 pm
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Jun 19th 2011, 4:36 am
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Glad to say that now the disloyal ones have been rounded up and are being re-educated to become good citizens: Golf and brunches have resumed.
A good result for all
