Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hours
Feb 17th 2018, 6:36 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
This thread is a great example of the difference in beliefs of the haves, have nots and hopefully never wills.
Only people without children believe that children have off buttons.
Although personally I would have given him some antihistamines before the flight. For my sanity, not his.
Only people without children believe that children have off buttons.
Although personally I would have given him some antihistamines before the flight. For my sanity, not his.
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Feb 17th 2018, 7:58 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
My kid has behavioural issues. I've been that parent, on a plane, putting up with the looks, the judgements, the comments from strangers - those who think my son is 'demonic', or has mental health issues, or that his medical notes should be public knowledge.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Feb 17th 2018, 10:04 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
My kid has behavioural issues. I've been that parent, on a plane, putting up with the looks, the judgements, the comments from strangers - those who think my son is 'demonic', or has mental health issues, or that his medical notes should be public knowledge.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Years ago my oldest son had a best friend who would come with us on vacations. I remember they were being noisy and running too much at the airport. I made them go sit in a corner facing the wall to calm them down- and a couple came up saying how cruel I was to embarrass them in front of the whole airport, saying they would report me. I guess today such busy-bodies would make a YouTube video.
Feb 17th 2018, 1:19 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
Special needs, Aspergers, Autism, ADHD or any other letter of the alphabet. Regardless of whatever "condition" the child has, there is no excuse for the parent allowing him to clamber all over the seat, climbing up the way he was or running freely up and down the aisle. He could scream his lungs out strapped in his seat. Even if it takes an army of flight attendants and the parent to strap him down - he is a danger to himself and others. Seems to me he has his parent bluffed - he didn't seem to scream whilst he was climbing - only when told to sit. And for goodness sake, if he needs the iPad to calm him, then get a cellular one so you're not relying solely on WIFI!! He's probably addicted to it as well.
I speak from experience when I say there is no excuse for allowing a child to behave this way and if his condition is that severe - sedate him for the journey, the airline need to be informed he has a condition and they can seat them appropriately and advise the parent they must control the child. Some parents seem to think once onboard they can let the little buggers run riot and it's the crew's lookout and the other passengers have to tolerate it.
I've had an entire food tray, including freshly poured hot coffee, tossed all over me whilst seated as a consequence of a child jumping around in a seat and pushing into the seat back. I still bear the scars today.
I speak from experience when I say there is no excuse for allowing a child to behave this way and if his condition is that severe - sedate him for the journey, the airline need to be informed he has a condition and they can seat them appropriately and advise the parent they must control the child. Some parents seem to think once onboard they can let the little buggers run riot and it's the crew's lookout and the other passengers have to tolerate it.
I've had an entire food tray, including freshly poured hot coffee, tossed all over me whilst seated as a consequence of a child jumping around in a seat and pushing into the seat back. I still bear the scars today.
Feb 17th 2018, 2:06 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
I have a relative with 2 kids ‘on the spectrum’ as they love to say. Many parents actually not just allow bad behaviour, they empower it by saying things like little johnny must be allowed to express himself as he wishes, or that telling him not to do something wont work anyway, or he shouldnt be told not do do xxx as he wont understand.
It is actually true that some of these kids just screen out all people, they really dont know or care what you think or say, its not within their current compass of vision/thought, the use of amphetamine type drugs just actually calms their minds enough to let them function. Some parents just fill them with coca cola, for these kids, its actually more like a sedative...
It is actually true that some of these kids just screen out all people, they really dont know or care what you think or say, its not within their current compass of vision/thought, the use of amphetamine type drugs just actually calms their minds enough to let them function. Some parents just fill them with coca cola, for these kids, its actually more like a sedative...
Feb 17th 2018, 5:11 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
Intolerant - possibly...
I was once an hour into a 14 hour flight, quietly munching on some nuts and quaffing a red wine, when the person in front of me told me i had to put my nuts down and stop eating them as he had a nut allergy.
I told him in no uncertain way, that if he was incapable of being on the plane in its normal usage he shouldnt have boarded, and i asked him if he had declared this allergy to the airline? He said no, no doubt because they would have denied him boarding.
Tear in eye he bleated to the cabin crew, and was summarily escorted from business class never to be seen again. However i was told that plebean class was asked not to consume their own nuts [i assume they dont get airline nuts? Savory biccies i seem to remember]
Hooray for singapore air!
I was once an hour into a 14 hour flight, quietly munching on some nuts and quaffing a red wine, when the person in front of me told me i had to put my nuts down and stop eating them as he had a nut allergy.
I told him in no uncertain way, that if he was incapable of being on the plane in its normal usage he shouldnt have boarded, and i asked him if he had declared this allergy to the airline? He said no, no doubt because they would have denied him boarding.
Tear in eye he bleated to the cabin crew, and was summarily escorted from business class never to be seen again. However i was told that plebean class was asked not to consume their own nuts [i assume they dont get airline nuts? Savory biccies i seem to remember]
Hooray for singapore air!
Feb 17th 2018, 5:14 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
My kid has behavioural issues. I've been that parent, on a plane, putting up with the looks, the judgements, the comments from strangers - those who think my son is 'demonic', or has mental health issues, or that his medical notes should be public knowledge.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Parenting is the hardest thing anyone can do. Parenting a kid like mine is even harder. When he's tantruming and being violent, I hate his behaviour. I hate him. It's hard not to be sucked into the chaos - to try and teach him to manage emotions, to be calm. I'm lucky that I can tag team with Mr GG - how parents do this alone, I have no idea. That allows me time to see how much he's hurting, how overwhelmed he is, how hard it is for him. And then I give myself grief - I'm a terrible parent, I'm failing him, he's hurting and I hate him for it. So I pep talk myself - I'm doing the best I can, with the resources I have. I don't believe it, but it's the time I need to regroup, put my game face on and go back for round two. I do that every day, often multiple times a day. That's our life.
And I wouldn't change it, or him, for the world. So I put up with the looks, the judgements, the comments. Because sometimes, as in this thread, you get empathy and understanding and it gives you hope that it's going to be okay. A little kindness goes a bloody long way.
Feb 17th 2018, 5:16 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
Special needs, Aspergers, Autism, ADHD or any other letter of the alphabet. Regardless of whatever "condition" the child has, there is no excuse for the parent allowing him to clamber all over the seat, climbing up the way he was or running freely up and down the aisle. He could scream his lungs out strapped in his seat. Even if it takes an army of flight attendants and the parent to strap him down - he is a danger to himself and others. Seems to me he has his parent bluffed - he didn't seem to scream whilst he was climbing - only when told to sit. And for goodness sake, if he needs the iPad to calm him, then get a cellular one so you're not relying solely on WIFI!! He's probably addicted to it as well.
I speak from experience when I say there is no excuse for allowing a child to behave this way and if his condition is that severe - sedate him for the journey, the airline need to be informed he has a condition and they can seat them appropriately and advise the parent they must control the child. Some parents seem to think once onboard they can let the little buggers run riot and it's the crew's lookout and the other passengers have to tolerate it.
I've had an entire food tray, including freshly poured hot coffee, tossed all over me whilst seated as a consequence of a child jumping around in a seat and pushing into the seat back. I still bear the scars today.
I speak from experience when I say there is no excuse for allowing a child to behave this way and if his condition is that severe - sedate him for the journey, the airline need to be informed he has a condition and they can seat them appropriately and advise the parent they must control the child. Some parents seem to think once onboard they can let the little buggers run riot and it's the crew's lookout and the other passengers have to tolerate it.
I've had an entire food tray, including freshly poured hot coffee, tossed all over me whilst seated as a consequence of a child jumping around in a seat and pushing into the seat back. I still bear the scars today.
Feb 17th 2018, 7:05 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
My sister has always taken my nephew on vacations abroad; people consuming peanuts in the plane never posed a problem. Now there are different degrees of nut allergy, and my nephew did have a serious case of it, but no doubt there are people out there with even less tolerance.
Feb 17th 2018, 7:07 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
Mid-air peanut allergy emergency on Singapore Airlines flight prompts parents' warning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...thers-11056020
Strange how no-one with a pet allergy is allowed to say they cannot fly with someone else's cat in the cabin.
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Feb 17th 2018, 7:58 pm
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
No one commenting on this thread has any idea what the parent did or didn't do, we saw a few minutes of footage from an 8 hour flight. Taken by someone who thought it was fine to video a toddler without permission and publish/upload it. Which, not incidentally, is illegal where the flight originated, and where it ended.
But hey, don't let little things like lack of knowledge or laws designed to protect kids stop you from whinging that the child should have been 'physically restrained' or drugged, or that the parent should have done this, that or the other. Just continue to be Outraged and Offended by something you saw on the internet
But hey, don't let little things like lack of knowledge or laws designed to protect kids stop you from whinging that the child should have been 'physically restrained' or drugged, or that the parent should have done this, that or the other. Just continue to be Outraged and Offended by something you saw on the internet
Feb 17th 2018, 8:34 pm
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Feb 18th 2018, 3:23 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
I assume it is illegal in the United States and the European Union to film a minor without written consent from the parent or guardian.
That being said, the mother is probably deserving of the heat she is getting. The child could not cope with a long transatlantic flight and the mother should not have put her child in such a situation that caused him such stress, discomfort and anxiety unless for an absolutely essential reason.
There are only a small number of reasons that would qualify as "absolutely essential," and maybe this was one of them! But if not, the mother should have deferred travel until the child was old enough or had the proper supports to be able to handle it, and she deserves the copping she's getting.
I also concur with the others who are criticising the mother for allowing the kid to clamber all over the seats. That is not safe for a small child on an airplane and if they hit an air pocket the kid could have suffered serious, serious injury. Even if the child simply fell during normal cruise it could have been catastrophic. It does not take a fall from great heights to cause serious injury.
That being said, the mother is probably deserving of the heat she is getting. The child could not cope with a long transatlantic flight and the mother should not have put her child in such a situation that caused him such stress, discomfort and anxiety unless for an absolutely essential reason.
There are only a small number of reasons that would qualify as "absolutely essential," and maybe this was one of them! But if not, the mother should have deferred travel until the child was old enough or had the proper supports to be able to handle it, and she deserves the copping she's getting.
I also concur with the others who are criticising the mother for allowing the kid to clamber all over the seats. That is not safe for a small child on an airplane and if they hit an air pocket the kid could have suffered serious, serious injury. Even if the child simply fell during normal cruise it could have been catastrophic. It does not take a fall from great heights to cause serious injury.
Feb 18th 2018, 3:58 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
There have been several cases in the media where calls have been made for nuts to be banned from flights completely due to one passenger having an allergy. eg -
Mid-air peanut allergy emergency on Singapore Airlines flight prompts parents' warning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...thers-11056020
Strange how no-one with a pet allergy is allowed to say they cannot fly with someone else's cat in the cabin.
Mid-air peanut allergy emergency on Singapore Airlines flight prompts parents' warning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...thers-11056020
Strange how no-one with a pet allergy is allowed to say they cannot fly with someone else's cat in the cabin.
There are those that have severe reactions though just being in close proximity to peanuts so I can understand why they would not want to be near them. I think you have to advise airlines before travelling. Sorry if that inconveniences some travellers but better than having the person stop breathing, or having your flight diverted due to the medical emergency huh.
And yes - I think if you have a pet allergy you can advise the airline so that no passengers travel with a cat in the cabin Polly.
But nothing at all like banning steak because a baby only drinks milk Norm. Do you doubt the severity of reactions to peanuts? Or maybe you think they should not be allowed to fly if it means that no peanuts are served if they do?
Feb 18th 2018, 4:38 am
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Re: Allegedly, a Lufthansa flight had child screaming and throwng a tantrum for 8 hou
From the limited information available I think it's fair to say it's pretty awful for the other passengers and that's only because the parenting was non-existent.
Nobody minds a crying baby or a kid playing up if they're stopped or comforted or given the attention they might be seeking. But to let them just run amok is embarrassing and willfully letting them upset other people. I'd have hated to have a flight ruined so unnecessarily.
Nobody minds a crying baby or a kid playing up if they're stopped or comforted or given the attention they might be seeking. But to let them just run amok is embarrassing and willfully letting them upset other people. I'd have hated to have a flight ruined so unnecessarily.