scrubbedexpat141

I can't summon the strength to pay attention to this at the moment.

Any time I see or read anything on the news it just pains me to think of how bad a job we will do.
Fingers crossed it's done so badly we remain part of major elements that work so we end up like closer to a Norway than a No-Way.

IKnowNothing

I've given up and got very bored with it, just get on with it, leave, scrap the EU Courts, scrap uncontrolled immigration, do some trade deals with the larger growing economies and move on.

It's more painful than both of my divorces.

scrubbedexpat141

I'm a shock agreement with your second statement, assuming these divorces were at least mildly painful.

I don't expect it to be childish and stroppy but it seems it might end up a bit that way, nor do I expect something so complicated and important to be dealt with overnight...but this feels directionless.

mission

you been divorced twice?

jam25mack

Its been like that for months already and for the majority of this its been the EU acting like kids..... the you owe us 50Bn, no 60 Bn, no 80 Bn, no 90 Bn, no 100 Bn.... chat. Only once the UK have agreed to this rapidly increasing number will they even consider sitting down to bash out an agreement.

I say screw em. Stop the monthly payments, throw the keys in the channel and then walk away and leave them hanging with no military might to speak of and pretty much zero in the way of intelligence gathering / reporting. Bye!

I think it was Forbes or similar who reviewed that whole matter and came back with a report that showed the EU should actually be the ones paying the UK in the settlement, however, the EU have stated that X, Y and Z won't be included in the calculations and hence the reversal.

We all know they are plucking the number out of the sky anyway as the EU hasn't ever had an audit and so the numbers aren't out there.

hnd

Just got back from a two week break in Germany. Sat having dinner in the sun outside a great brauhaus one evening, we offered the spare seats at our table to two late middle aged German couples. They thanked us, in English, sat down and then proceeded to bitch about bloody English people coming to Germany on holiday whilst wanting to leave the EU. I don't speak very good German but can understand enough that I realised that they were being very uncomplimentary about, specifically, the English. When they left I said, in my awful German, that I hoped they enjoyed the rest of their evening. The looks on their faces was priceless

Millhouse

I can't wait to be able to buy a SRT charger in the UK and a host of medications for conditions that I didn't know I had. And cheap oversized medicated chicken.

The negotiations are a disaster. Regardless of your thoughts on Brexit, there really is no point in negotiating anything.

jam25mack

So just like here then....

TheShed

I blame that silly brazilian woman who brought the court case. That wasted weeks and months that could have been better used.

Autonomy

Yes of course... that silly foreign woman () daring to use a legal right, how very dare she?

Maybe both May and Davis were too tied up in their own battles in the ECJ (awkward!) - you know, the case that David Davis brought against the UK government... ironically it was a good cause from Davis...

Anyway... it is a total disaster of mind boggling waste of time, money and energy from start to bitter protracted withering senseless end....

(awaits usual pops)

IKnowNothing

Yeah - you wanna be #3?

Johnnyboy11

Just a wee reminder that the actual ballot was binary: Remain or Leave the European Union.

So we will leave the EU, no soft or hard or any other deals. Just leave.

scrubbedexpat141

Exactly this.
Especially when there is every chance we'll end up in some pseudo-member state anyway.
Can't wait for the Express headlines then.

mrken30

There was also no vote on making new deals with other foreigners. I thought the whole point was to kick the foreigners out and break all ties.

Inselaffen

EU are not interested in negotiating. They just want to discourage anyone one else from exercising their legal right to exit from the EU. Their is no legal basis for their demands for an exit fee. Their own lawyers have told them that.

I was marginally pro-remain but having seen how childish the EU (Juncker and Barnier) are acting I'm now pro-Brexit.