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Old Oct 7th 2011, 7:37 pm
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I hope you said something, I hate when I hear that kind of put down.
Our dentist was very impressed at how long our fillings had held up, he said they had been very well done to last so long, finally though they all needed to be replaced and the US dentist seems to have done a lovely job too.
I still have one filling left...back from 1966..Thornton Heath!!
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I still have one filling left...back from 1966..Thornton Heath!!
I still have a gold crown from 1968, when I broke a back tooth in an accident. The US dentists were always amazed that a) it was still in good shape and intact and b) (apparently) a work of art. Ironically, it was free (NHS), but my first crown in the US costs me about $500 and looks like a thimble - no contours, cusps, just a flat chunk of metal.

p.s. My UK filling was from Handsworth -my dad's dentist, who must have been 70 if he was a day.
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I saw this sad story on the Guardian website today about a young girl dying of cancer after being refused medical treatment by her insurance company on the grounds that it was a pre-existing condition. The gist of it is below and here's a link to the whole article:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cancer-patient
__________________________________________________ __________

As Miran Istina puts it, she has been living on borrowed time since she was 14. Diagnosed with cancer, she was given just months to live after her health insurer refused to provide her with life-saving surgery.

Now 18, Istina, from the city of Sisters in Oregon, has spent the past three weeks living in a tent at the Occupy San Francisco protest and says she will stay there indefinitely, despite her illness.

She was inspired to take part in the protest by the refusal of her insurance company to pay for treatment for her chronic myelogenous leukaemia.

She said: "They denied me on the terms of a pre-existing condition. Seeing as I had only had that insurance for a few months, and I was in early stage two which meant I had to have had it for at least a year, they determined it was a pre-existing condition and denied me healthcare."

Treatment would require a bone marrow transplant and extensive radiation therapy and chemotherapy, at a cost of several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Coming from an ordinary middle-class background, her family has no way of paying for the surgery that would save her life.

Following her insurer's refusal, she spent three years travelling the US looking for a healthcare provider who would give her a chance at life.

Istina said: "I went all over the place, looking for someone to give a damn, really, someone to care enough to treat me. Because we were middle class, we couldn't afford to treat my disease. We'd be in debt for the rest of our family life."

After repeated refusals to offer her treatment, she said: "I decided I was going to spend the rest of my life doing whatever my heart wants."

The Occupy movement attracted Istina as she ties the corporate influence on American politics to the decision that has sentenced her to death.

She said: "The corporate influence on politics influences just about anything that happens, seeing as politicians write the plans that healthcare has to follow. It directly links the fact that insurers only pick and choose those who are actually worth it [financially]. I just happen to not be one of the ones they wanted to be around much longer.

"The decision was absolutely influenced by some corporation or some bank saying, 'we can't afford her. She's not worth our money.' In end terms, corporate greed is going to cost me my life.

"I used to be really upset about it. I'm not as much any more. I'm angry, for sure, but I think me being here might help it never happen again. That's why I'm here. It's that there are other people this is going to happen to if this movement doesn't succeed and that's not healthy. I'm done being the victim. However long I have left is dedicated heart and soul to this movement, no matter what it takes."

She has immersed herself in the movement, becoming the chief media relations officer for Occupy SF and organising fundraising events around the city. On Thursday afternoon she led a CNN television crew on a walk through the camp, to show how they were living, explain their motives and refute claims that the living conditions are unsanitary.

She said of her new life: "My heart is finally satisfied."

The Occupy San Francisco movement has seen up to 300 protesters take over the Justin Herman Plaza, at the Embarcadero in the downtown district since October 5.

The occupiers are given food by local restaurants and have received donations from supporters to provide supplies.

Health professionals from the San Francisco General Hospital are providing round-the-clock care for Istina, who needs strong pain killers and constant monitoring of her condition. Earlier in the month she suffered a kidney malfunction which required urgent hospital treatment.
__________________________________________________ _____

A very sad state of affairs.

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Originally Posted by alicat26
I saw this sad story on the Guardian website today about a young girl dying of cancer after being refused medical treatment by her insurance company on the grounds that it was a pre-existing condition. The gist of it is below and here's a link to the whole article:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cancer-patient
__________________________________________________ __________

As Miran Istina puts it, she has been living on borrowed time since she was 14. Diagnosed with cancer, she was given just months to live after her health insurer refused to provide her with life-saving surgery.

Now 18, Istina, from the city of Sisters in Oregon, has spent the past three weeks living in a tent at the Occupy San Francisco protest and says she will stay there indefinitely, despite her illness.

She was inspired to take part in the protest by the refusal of her insurance company to pay for treatment for her chronic myelogenous leukaemia.

She said: "They denied me on the terms of a pre-existing condition. Seeing as I had only had that insurance for a few months, and I was in early stage two which meant I had to have had it for at least a year, they determined it was a pre-existing condition and denied me healthcare."

Treatment would require a bone marrow transplant and extensive radiation therapy and chemotherapy, at a cost of several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Coming from an ordinary middle-class background, her family has no way of paying for the surgery that would save her life.

Following her insurer's refusal, she spent three years travelling the US looking for a healthcare provider who would give her a chance at life.

Istina said: "I went all over the place, looking for someone to give a damn, really, someone to care enough to treat me. Because we were middle class, we couldn't afford to treat my disease. We'd be in debt for the rest of our family life."

After repeated refusals to offer her treatment, she said: "I decided I was going to spend the rest of my life doing whatever my heart wants."

The Occupy movement attracted Istina as she ties the corporate influence on American politics to the decision that has sentenced her to death.

She said: "The corporate influence on politics influences just about anything that happens, seeing as politicians write the plans that healthcare has to follow. It directly links the fact that insurers only pick and choose those who are actually worth it [financially]. I just happen to not be one of the ones they wanted to be around much longer.

"The decision was absolutely influenced by some corporation or some bank saying, 'we can't afford her. She's not worth our money.' In end terms, corporate greed is going to cost me my life.

"I used to be really upset about it. I'm not as much any more. I'm angry, for sure, but I think me being here might help it never happen again. That's why I'm here. It's that there are other people this is going to happen to if this movement doesn't succeed and that's not healthy. I'm done being the victim. However long I have left is dedicated heart and soul to this movement, no matter what it takes."

She has immersed herself in the movement, becoming the chief media relations officer for Occupy SF and organising fundraising events around the city. On Thursday afternoon she led a CNN television crew on a walk through the camp, to show how they were living, explain their motives and refute claims that the living conditions are unsanitary.

She said of her new life: "My heart is finally satisfied."

The Occupy San Francisco movement has seen up to 300 protesters take over the Justin Herman Plaza, at the Embarcadero in the downtown district since October 5.

The occupiers are given food by local restaurants and have received donations from supporters to provide supplies.

Health professionals from the San Francisco General Hospital are providing round-the-clock care for Istina, who needs strong pain killers and constant monitoring of her condition. Earlier in the month she suffered a kidney malfunction which required urgent hospital treatment.
__________________________________________________ _____

A very sad state of affairs.
The healthcare issue in this country (or rather the lack of it for many people) is a national disgrace. This is one reason I cannot look or listen to any of the Republicans candidates. It's okay to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, while the most vulnerable go without health care. USA - the greatest nation on earth??? Give me a break...............
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The healthcare issue in this country (or rather the lack of it for many people) is a national disgrace. This is one reason I cannot look or listen to any of the Republicans candidates. It's okay to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, while the most vulnerable go without health care.
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Originally Posted by alicat26
I saw this sad story on the Guardian website today about a young girl dying of cancer after being refused medical treatment by her insurance company on the grounds that it was a pre-existing condition. The gist of it is below and here's a link to the whole article:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cancer-patient
__________________________________________________ __________

As Miran Istina puts it, she has been living on borrowed time since she was 14. Diagnosed with cancer, she was given just months to live after her health insurer refused to provide her with life-saving surgery.

Now 18, Istina, from the city of Sisters in Oregon, has spent the past three weeks living in a tent at the Occupy San Francisco protest and says she will stay there indefinitely, despite her illness.

She was inspired to take part in the protest by the refusal of her insurance company to pay for treatment for her chronic myelogenous leukaemia.

She said: "They denied me on the terms of a pre-existing condition. Seeing as I had only had that insurance for a few months, and I was in early stage two which meant I had to have had it for at least a year, they determined it was a pre-existing condition and denied me healthcare."

Treatment would require a bone marrow transplant and extensive radiation therapy and chemotherapy, at a cost of several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Coming from an ordinary middle-class background, her family has no way of paying for the surgery that would save her life.

Following her insurer's refusal, she spent three years travelling the US looking for a healthcare provider who would give her a chance at life.

Istina said: "I went all over the place, looking for someone to give a damn, really, someone to care enough to treat me. Because we were middle class, we couldn't afford to treat my disease. We'd be in debt for the rest of our family life."

After repeated refusals to offer her treatment, she said: "I decided I was going to spend the rest of my life doing whatever my heart wants."

The Occupy movement attracted Istina as she ties the corporate influence on American politics to the decision that has sentenced her to death.

She said: "The corporate influence on politics influences just about anything that happens, seeing as politicians write the plans that healthcare has to follow. It directly links the fact that insurers only pick and choose those who are actually worth it [financially]. I just happen to not be one of the ones they wanted to be around much longer.

"The decision was absolutely influenced by some corporation or some bank saying, 'we can't afford her. She's not worth our money.' In end terms, corporate greed is going to cost me my life.

"I used to be really upset about it. I'm not as much any more. I'm angry, for sure, but I think me being here might help it never happen again. That's why I'm here. It's that there are other people this is going to happen to if this movement doesn't succeed and that's not healthy. I'm done being the victim. However long I have left is dedicated heart and soul to this movement, no matter what it takes."

She has immersed herself in the movement, becoming the chief media relations officer for Occupy SF and organising fundraising events around the city. On Thursday afternoon she led a CNN television crew on a walk through the camp, to show how they were living, explain their motives and refute claims that the living conditions are unsanitary.

She said of her new life: "My heart is finally satisfied."

The Occupy San Francisco movement has seen up to 300 protesters take over the Justin Herman Plaza, at the Embarcadero in the downtown district since October 5.

The occupiers are given food by local restaurants and have received donations from supporters to provide supplies.

Health professionals from the San Francisco General Hospital are providing round-the-clock care for Istina, who needs strong pain killers and constant monitoring of her condition. Earlier in the month she suffered a kidney malfunction which required urgent hospital treatment.
__________________________________________________ _____

A very sad state of affairs.

Thanks for the post Alicat, This is just another example of screw the people, people in America are faced with this everyday, Insurance or no Insurance you are a libility to their bottom line and they will try to dump you, the average person does not have the time, money or energy to fight these companies.

I hope Brits that are contemplating moving here are reading The Guardian and taking notice.
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Well I may fnd myself in a quagmire. Some of you may know I have torn a ligament in my knee. It was through no fault of my own. A dog ran across a street and attacked my dog and somehow I became entangled in the other dog's leash and fell - my knee pointed in a direction which is not normal. The dog's owner was mortified and I made him write a statement about what had occurred so he or his HOA can pay for it. Thus far I have had 2 doctors visits and an MRI done. Im glad I had the MRI done as I did not know until last week it was tear in my ligament. I now have appointment with ortho specialist on 11/11 and God know how much he will cost and what he will decide to do. The incident occured on 9/24 and I have not received any bills from providers yet but have reviewed my claims and the cost so far is $600. When I told the guy at time of incident he is responsible he mentioned something about well I don't have a lot of money. So I am paying the claims first so as a 3rd party will not damage the good credit I have. so we shall see how this proceeds. If he does not pay me back I am on the hook and easily looking at 2k of costs. I'll keep you all apprised. At least I have some insurance - have an HSA as it was cheapest plan. In case anyone asks - police did not come not to scene as I was not bitten and no I did not want to call an ambulance due to the cost. I went to Urgent Care first thing next morning. leg is still painful. Anyway sorry to bore everyone but..Also bear in mind I also help my brother right now pay his medical bills as he cannot afford to do so. He does pay me back but it depetes my financial resources. But he needs medical coverage more than I do so not going to see him without. Lordy lordy..
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Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
Thanks for the post Alicat, This is just another example of screw the people, people in America are faced with this everyday, Insurance or no Insurance you are a libility to their bottom line and they will try to dump you, the average person does not have the time, money or energy to fight these companies.

I hope Brits that are contemplating moving here are reading The Guardian and taking notice.
'Healthcare' here is nothing more than a big legalized racket.
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The healthcare issue in this country (or rather the lack of it for many people) is a national disgrace. This is one reason I cannot look or listen to any of the Republicans candidates. It's okay to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, while the most vulnerable go without health care. USA - the greatest nation on earth??? Give me a break...............
The republican candidates are absolutely barking mad but so was bush and we never thought he would be elected, its amazing to watch these crooks, its more amazing to think Millions of Americans believe what comes out of their mouths, these candidates change their beliefs weekly.

Its worse when you get to see how real republicans think, I watched Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday, two guests were Grover Norquist and Ron Christie, these people are very scary when compared to such people as Romney, Perry, and Bachmann, they have a totally different mindset.

As far as the 99'ers go I'm hoping they can start a third political party, I know it takes money to get elected but the 99'ers are a different breed, I think they can do it without the media advertising or big business, they could use people like Michael Moore, Dr Cornell West and Bernie Sanders, the democrats seem to have fallen asleep at the wheel, Obama is the only one speaking up, nobody is defending or helping him, unless we have massive change I doubt the democrats will win in 2016, and hopefully I will be living in the UK by then.
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I would love to see a major 3rd party in this country - I'm unsure it will ever happen though. The political stalemate and the debt ceiling talks a few months back just showed how much this country is divided.
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Well I may fnd myself in a quagmire. Some of you may know I have torn a ligament in my knee. It was through no fault of my own. A dog ran across a street and attacked my dog and somehow I became entangled in the other dog's leash and fell - my knee pointed in a direction which is not normal. The dog's owner was mortified and I made him write a statement about what had occurred so he or his HOA can pay for it. Thus far I have had 2 doctors visits and an MRI done. Im glad I had the MRI done as I did not know until last week it was tear in my ligament. I now have appointment with ortho specialist on 11/11 and God know how much he will cost and what he will decide to do. The incident occured on 9/24 and I have not received any bills from providers yet but have reviewed my claims and the cost so far is $600. When I told the guy at time of incident he is responsible he mentioned something about well I don't have a lot of money. So I am paying the claims first so as a 3rd party will not damage the good credit I have. so we shall see how this proceeds. If he does not pay me back I am on the hook and easily looking at 2k of costs. I'll keep you all apprised. At least I have some insurance - have an HSA as it was cheapest plan. In case anyone asks - police did not come not to scene as I was not bitten and no I did not want to call an ambulance due to the cost. I went to Urgent Care first thing next morning. leg is still painful. Anyway sorry to bore everyone but..Also bear in mind I also help my brother right now pay his medical bills as he cannot afford to do so. He does pay me back but it depetes my financial resources. But he needs medical coverage more than I do so not going to see him without. Lordy lordy..
Wow - that is too bad about the dog incident and your torn ligament. I hope that you get some help with the bills from the other dog owner. Health care costs can really add up here. It doesn't take much at all to run up a bill of $2K. People back home just don't seem to believe me when I tell them. They all assume that our insurance pays for everything.
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Life is cheap in America! I thank God I'm finally leaving this plastic-fantastic country, and I plan never to set foot here again
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Slightly off topic but there is a fella in a house down the street from us who has taken to putting placards with political slogans in his front garden for all to see. Now the house is huge and the fancy gates alone probably cost half the price of our house.

Anyway his latest one is a series of placards that say:

"The secret of being the one percent...is not a secret....it's just WORK!"

Is it just me or does that just not smack of arrogance and ignorance?

Needless to say there are placards campaigning for Republican candidates alongside these ones.

Some people are so far removed from reality it's unreal.
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Slightly off topic but there is a fella in a house down the street from us who has taken to putting placards with political slogans in his front garden for all to see. Now the house is huge and the fancy gates alone probably cost half the price of our house.

Anyway his latest one is a series of placards that say:

"The secret of being the one percent...is not a secret....it's just WORK!"

Is it just me or does that just not smack of arrogance and ignorance?

Needless to say there are placards campaigning for Republican candidates alongside these ones.

Some people are so far removed from reality it's unreal.
Exactly Right.
The sad part is this guy really believes what he is saying.

Work hahahaaaaa I used think that was the answer too, at least until people ran out of money and stopped spending.
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Slightly off topic but there is a fella in a house down the street from us who has taken to putting placards with political slogans in his front garden for all to see. Now the house is huge and the fancy gates alone probably cost half the price of our house.

Anyway his latest one is a series of placards that say:

"The secret of being the one percent...is not a secret....it's just WORK!"

Is it just me or does that just not smack of arrogance and ignorance?

Needless to say there are placards campaigning for Republican candidates alongside these ones.

Some people are so far removed from reality it's unreal.
How nice for him he's so well to do, he hasn't got a clue and doesn't want one, living in cloud cuckoo land. Till the awful reality of life in the US affects them, most people have no clue here.
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