Riots in the UK
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Nationwide, taking in the UK as a whole, turnout at local elections is always very low....sometimes as low as 15 to 20% of the electorate, and even in General Elections the average turnout across the board is just around 60% to 65% and in each succeeding General Election the turnout is down a wee bit more. In European elections it is very much lower.
The UK has a massive problem with litter and in spite of there being a profusion of litter bins and waste disposal units at strategic positions all over public areas too many people either do not see them for want of looking, or see them but think they are something other than litter bins, such as convenient places on which to perch themselves while they scoff their takeaways or fish and chips and subsequently decorate the entire surrounds with what remains once the nosh has been consumed....the poly containers and paper wrappings and empty cans of Stella or bottles of Sprite or even voddy. Hardly civic minded - it's all very much related to the attitude displayed by all the scumbags causing all the mayhem in many of England's* urban and metro areas.
*Specifically England. Scotland has not really been affected, and in Wales only a few pissheads/copycat scumbags caused minor problems, in spite of the fact that this city his home to large numbers of immigrants and ethnic people. It's veen very much an English "party cum rampage" on those three nights...and days.
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Despite being a left-winger, this guy nails it. Brilliant.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p...article/10970/
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p...article/10970/
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The chickens have now ome to roost good and proper on the streets of urban Britannia......it is now harvest time in Britain.....the seeds sown by Governments (predominantly that from 1997 to 2010 and all of its insane policies and the limitless supply of welfare benefits to the feral and the feckless and the over fecund of both genders plus the craziness of political correctness and the sharp decline of social values, family values, educational standards, basic respect and codes of behaviour) have now all come to fruition in all their savage glory........and the ******* BB(B)C - British (Biased) Broadcasting Corporation - refuses to acknowledge that the present Government is now left to pick up the pieces and to heal the wounds of a chronically sick and expanding section of society in this country.....according to many journalists and current affairs presenters at the bloody Beeb it's all the new Government's fault! :curse:
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I think you are incorrect to assume that a more "civic-minded" society is one that necessarily seeks its solutions through government. There are many ways that a society could be construed as being civic-minded including, for example, volunteerism and philanthropy, two areas where the US is ahead of the UK imo.
The lack of opposition to the modification of the common-law right to remain silent comes to mind - a principle enshrined since the early middle ages. The retention of DNA of anyone arrested as opposed to those convicted of an offence (although I think the European Court of Justics may have overturned that one). And the sprouting of security cameras in every major city and town, with increasing reliance made on them by the police instead of having actual police out in the street.
Retention of arrestees DNA by the police was challenged successfully in the ECHR. I think this shows that British people aren't at all flippant about surrending freedoms. They will fight for principles that are deemed to be unfair. In this regard, also note the widespread opposition to ID cards (coupled with a pervasive national database) and the embarrassing backtrack by the last Labour administration.
Security cameras are regulated by law, and they've played their part in the reduction of crime, as well as the speedier identification and apprehension of offenders. In fact, those very same CCTV systems are proving invaluable right now, as the police forces of England struggle to arrest the hundreds of people responsible for the large scale outbreaks of violence we've seen recently. The only people who should be worried about CCTV are wrongdoers.
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A thought provoking piece Lothianlad. But apart from telling us what you think is wrong with Britain, oops sorry I mean ENGLAND, how does all of that compare to my earlier point that Britain is a less individualistic society than the USA?
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If you ever said that to many if not most British people here in the UK then the most likely response you would get would be something on the lines of: "Well, no of course you never will - the rioters would not actually have the chance to cause a similar amount of damage for the simple reason that in the USA the National Guard would probably be called out and along with the local cops the lead will be flying and in no time at all there would be bodies lying all over the place."
Whether or not that's what really would happen in America I don't know for sure myself but I'd probably think it could well be the case over there, and that's certainly what most British people would say to you. I think they'd prefer to have to clear up smashed up debris rather than dead bodies.
Whether or not that's what really would happen in America I don't know for sure myself but I'd probably think it could well be the case over there, and that's certainly what most British people would say to you. I think they'd prefer to have to clear up smashed up debris rather than dead bodies.
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If you ever said that to many if not most British people here in the UK then the most likely response you would get would be something on the lines of: "Well, no of course you never will - the rioters would not actually have the chance to cause a similar amount of damage for the simple reason that in the USA the National Guard would probably be called out and along with the local cops the lead will be flying and in no time at all there would be bodies lying all over the place."
Whether or not that's what really would happen in America I don't know for sure myself but I'd probably think it could well be the case over there, and that's certainly what most British people would say to you. I think they'd prefer to have to clear up smashed up debris rather than dead bodies.
Whether or not that's what really would happen in America I don't know for sure myself but I'd probably think it could well be the case over there, and that's certainly what most British people would say to you. I think they'd prefer to have to clear up smashed up debris rather than dead bodies.
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Just because something has been in place "since the early middle ages" does not mean that it remains relevant today. In fact, it is the sign of a mature and democratic society that these things are reviewed and amended as necessary. Contrast that with the USA and it's reliance on a 200-odd year old written "constitution" which, it could be argued, is now outdated and no longer serves the best interests of "the people".
The US constitution can be amended and has been twenty something different times. It's convoluted process though, and that's the way it should be for amendments to basic rights.
... which isn't very reassuring!
, and they've played their part in the reduction of crime, as well as the speedier identification and apprehension of offenders. In fact, those very same CCTV systems are proving invaluable right now, as the police forces of England struggle to arrest the hundreds of people responsible for the large scale outbreaks of violence we've seen recently. The only people who should be worried about CCTV are wrongdoers.
Yes, those cameras will let police catch a small percentage of the rioters, but they most certainly didn't do much to stop the rioting in the first place. Interesting that in parliament today, Cameron (?) said the UK is now going to look at how police in Boston and LA deal with with this kind of trouble, two places that have rather less security cameras than your average small English town.
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The chickens have now come home to roost good and proper on the streets of urban Britannia......it is now harvest time in Britain.....the seeds sown by Governments (predominantly that from 1997 to 2010 and all of its insane policies and the limitless supply of welfare benefits to the feral and the feckless and the over fecund of both genders plus the craziness of political correctness and the sharp decline of social values, family values, educational standards, basic respect and codes of behaviour) have now all come to fruition in all their savage glory........and the ******* BB(B)C - British (Biased) Broadcasting Corporation - refuses to acknowledge that the present Government is now left to pick up the pieces and to heal the wounds of a chronically sick and expanding section of society in this country.....according to many journalists and current affairs presenters at the bloody Beeb it's all the new Government's fault! :curse:
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Maybe actually having proper punishment fitting the crime would go a long way to preventing this kind of thing. Also not just standing by for 4 days watching while people trash the place and terrorize people.
#87
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Sticking a young yob in prison is just teaching him how to become a career criminal, which is much worse than a softer sentence and community work.
The soft sentence works as a deterrent against most normal folks who would be horrified at the thought, but some folks just aren't wired the same...just like the death penalty fails completely as a deterrent.
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Standing by is a common strategy for authorities in shock. When referring to terrorism, are you talking about the bobbies or the citizenry here?
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I'm referring to the lowlifes who went around chasing down ordinary people, beating them up, stealing the clothes off their backs, setting fire to peoples' businesses and homes... and all the rest of it.