Pulaski

How was the Kool-aid?

Your first assertion [1] is dubious, and I would dispute whether it is her whole life's work - she's hardly Mother Teresa, is she?

Your second assertion [2] is highly subjective at best, though I suppose it depends how you define "successful help".

Downton Gabby

You are showing your literal ignorance of the facts and being sarcastic and rude to top it off.

Pulaski

I am well versed with the facts and have followed the Clinton saga since the 1980's.

I am sorry that my calling out your attempt to pass off unduly flattering opinions as "facts" offended you.

Downton Gabby

Apparently not.

Downton Gabby

And now Bannon, an extreme white racist, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant is going to be in the Whitehouse.

And on the day Trump is sworn in, he's planning on undoing the ACA and millions of people will be in jeopardy in terms of their health and finances. Now, people WILL suffer and die as a result of Trump being elected.

Anyone who can't see the danger here is either stupid or are choosing to look the other way...or they agree with everything he stands for and will do to the American people.

Novocastrian

Could a passing Mod please shift this thread to the Trailer Park where it belongs?

Downton Gabby

I'm just curious why you want this moved. How does this bother you enough to make a request like that?

Novocastrian

It doesn't bother me at all, but I've no clue why you started this thread in MBTTUK.

Jerseygirl

I originally thought the same...but there are plenty of threads about the US in other forums...i.e. Canada, ME forums.

BEVS

It is because this is where Downton Gabby usually chats & the people she ordinarily chats with are in here.

It's fine in here. Crike! We even have one in the Sheep Dip and the Sand Pit.

Downton Gabby

Thank you, Bevs

Wintersong

I agree that neither candidate was a good choice, I'm just continually surprised that people always seem to use Clinton's "lies" and "corruption" as a reason to vote for Trump but ignore the very same behaviour when it comes from him.

I mean, what part of his personality and previous conduct gives anyone any reason whatsoever to believe that he's interested in helping anyone other than himself? Is it his payoffs to Bondi? His Russian ties? His racial housing discrimination? His mafia ties? His court case for fraud and embezzlement? His failure to pay his contractors? His repeated lies about donating to charity? His refusal to release his tax returns?

Yes, they were two bad candidates. But everybody needs to come up with a better reason for voting for Trump than "... but Clinton lied! And she's corrupt!"

Pulaski

You may find this perceptive CNN article from four weeks ago informative.

It certainly describes my own feelings fairly closely. In short many of his supporters know what he is saying is unrealistic, but it is mostly his critics who are taking him literally.

Wintersong

I totally agree - I have no doubt that he's a con-man. I have no doubt that HE doesn't really believe that he's going to build a wall, deport all illegals, commit war crimes, and ban Muslims.

Unfortunately it's an undeniable fact that a significant proportion of his supporters DID believe it. Or, at the very least, WANTED to believe it. They're the ones I'm worried about, not Trump.

BristolUK

Well if that's the best reason for supporting him it's really not a very good one.