Mally Lass

Most people DO pay the chuck of Tax whilst alive, having worked hard to pay for it, hence owning their own home, that's the problem,....why then should their family pay it again when you are dead.

The people that don't pay whilst alive, will probably never own their own home, therefore not being in a position to leave it to someone anyway ???

Cape Blue

Yes Bay - you worked hard - but you were lucky that you weren't disabled at birth, or lost an arm in car crash, or contracted HIV or something else that impaired your life. You are also lucky that you have the ability to focus and work hard - some people just don't have the drive to do that and will always be less successful because of it.

Cape Blue

all governments in all countries "waste" money - its the nature of the beast

BAY

I'm sorry for those who were disabled at birth, or lost an arm in car crash, or contracted HIV or something else that impaired your life but they are a very small percentage of people and shouldn't dictate tax policy.

For those people who 'just don't have the drive to do that' then thats their chioce and those who do 'have the drive' shouldn't be taxed to pay for them

Mally Lass

Absolutely, but getting back to the topic, the reason 10m want to leave the UK is because some brits have experienced another Government and seen how efficient they are, compared to the UK Government.

The UK's population increases dramatically every year and those new people then get jobs and work, hence pay TAX, yet the Country doesn't get any bigger, facilities don't improve, health systems aren't better, so where does all this extra Tax money they get, go ??? Our Government takes, takes, takes, and never wants to give despite their HUGE income from Taxes.

BAY

But New Labour seem to have made an art of it

Mally Lass

I think putting parties aside, every Government we've had has made an art of it. Maggie increased Taxes 4 times the LEGAL limit during her time, yet no-one picked up on it at the time. Had she remained an untitled person when she left, she would have been prosecuted for this, when they realised, yet she was immediately made a Baroness and therefore excluded from this proceeding ???

Not many people are aware of things like this

BAY

Can you explain this 'LEGAL limit' thing. Thanks.

Cape Blue

Bay - I see drive as a skill like any other - just like running. Why haven't you won the 100m gold Olympics? All you have to do is run a bit better. I see it as the same with skills like drive, ambition, perseverance, commercial acumen - some naturally have it and some don't.

Most can improve their skills with training (but you need drive to put yourself in for training), but few will become really good at them just as few will be good at the 100m regardless of how much training they do. The thing with drive is that it is a precursor for most things in life - the 100m runner needs drive to do the training in the first place.

Whilst there is some degree of choice regarding drive, I do not believe that it is all down to choice and some people just don't have that skill.

Mally Lass

As with everything there are legalities. If you own a shop you are not allowed to charge too much OR too little etc and can be prosecuted if you do.

The same applies to the Government. There is a Legal limit to which they can charge fees within certain periods, raise taxes within certain time frames, even Banks have the same legal thresholds, yet many are totally unaware that even the Goverment have laws to abide by.

At the time, and sure it still is, there is a legal limit to how much taxes can be raised in any 3 year limit, yet it was increased enormously, way past the limit, yet no-one noticed (or dared to mention)

BAY

'I see drive as a skill like any other ' ... Oh please you are having a laugh.

Mally Lass

I agree. A skill is something acquired, not something you are born with. Next you'll be saying that tolerance, conscience and having feelings are a skill too ???

JAJ

No, sorry - Parliament passes a Finance Act each year that sets the legal limits.

It is a fundamental principle of British democracy that no Parliament can bind its successors. If you don't like a particular government, then the choices in a democracy are either to vote for the alternative, get involved yourself, emigrate or stop complaining.

Mally Lass

I was just explaining something to Bay as they asked !

No need to be abruptly rude is there ? As for the Finance Act, I wasn't sure whether it was the 3 year rule or the annual reassesment, still not !

It may well be a fundamental principle, yet, again Maggie did this too. She did in fact set out laws that could not be changed for 10 years, binding any successor to stick to them...FACT. Democracy ? What democracy, it's a joke. Although having said that, as freedom of speech is still allowed when you are at home, I am allowed to complain

JAJ

Which laws are those, then?