Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Dec 18th 2004, 4:34 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:19:12 GMT, "suzn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>So what's your point?
Government workers to get some sick leave turned into cash when they
retire, and a certain amount of unused leave may be "cashed in", been
there, done that
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>So what's your point?
Government workers to get some sick leave turned into cash when they
retire, and a certain amount of unused leave may be "cashed in", been
there, done that
Dec 18th 2004, 4:42 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, The Real Bev
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>> >The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>>
>> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>> vacation time?
>I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>lifestyle/
I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
"less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
working you have a problem.
I am an artist. I love my work. I also love my family and spending
time with them, traveling to new places and learning new things.
Again, and again, how exactly does loving one's job preclude having
other interests and a life. Personally, if I were married to one of
those people who would rather work than take a four weeks of family
vacation every year, I wouldnt be married to them.
FWIW even when I was in the US I lived the kind of lifestyle we do
now. Although my husband has on occasion worked late, we have always
taken a month of leave every year, we do not ever bring home work or
go to work on the weekends unless life as we know it is about to end
(I work at home mostly, but in general, the rule applies). And you
know what?? My husband absolutely LOVES his job!!
I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion about the
advantages and disadvantages, some folks need to get a new
perspective.
Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but ya know
what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do everything the
best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in europe, but the
work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>
>> >The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>>
>> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>> vacation time?
>I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>lifestyle/
I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
"less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
working you have a problem.
I am an artist. I love my work. I also love my family and spending
time with them, traveling to new places and learning new things.
Again, and again, how exactly does loving one's job preclude having
other interests and a life. Personally, if I were married to one of
those people who would rather work than take a four weeks of family
vacation every year, I wouldnt be married to them.
FWIW even when I was in the US I lived the kind of lifestyle we do
now. Although my husband has on occasion worked late, we have always
taken a month of leave every year, we do not ever bring home work or
go to work on the weekends unless life as we know it is about to end
(I work at home mostly, but in general, the rule applies). And you
know what?? My husband absolutely LOVES his job!!
I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion about the
advantages and disadvantages, some folks need to get a new
perspective.
Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but ya know
what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do everything the
best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in europe, but the
work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
Dec 18th 2004, 5:09 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"Barbara Bomberger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:51:54 GMT, "MH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:17:10 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, The Real Bev
>>> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
>>:
>>> ... There is no law requiring that employees be given vacation. Most
>>> ... companies do because it's expected, but few places are truly
>>generous.
>>> ... Some companies that offer vacations insist that it be taken or lost
>>> ... rather than accumulated into huge chunks. If management deems your
>>> ... presence too important to be allowed to take vacation before it's
>>lost,
>>> ... it would seem only proper to allow that amount to roll over to the
>>next
>>> ... period, but I don't think that's a requirement either. In California
>>it
>>> ... used to be required that employees were vested in their earned
>>vacation,
>>> ... but perhaps it's different now if it must be used or lost.
>>> ...
>>> ... When I was canned after 12 years I was paid for my accumulated unused
>>> ... vacation, but the 700+ hours of unused sick leave evaporated.
>>> ...
>>> ... Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>>> ... rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?
>>> Quality of life is much more important here. Happiness is seldom found in
>>the workplace -
>>> unless one is workaholic and thus needs psychiatric help. As a whole we
>>work to live, we
>>> don't live to work.
>>That's sad that you go to work every day hating your job.
> And again, the fact that one wants other things (like vacation)
> in addition to their work, doesnt mean they hate t heir jobs.
> I would suggest that they are simply well rounded people.
Thats arguable with those who really do enjoy their job.
Bev's comment is spot on, some do find their job
leaves what is on offer with vacations for dead.
Some just find what is available when on vacation dead boring.
Nothing to do with that rather silly 'well rounded'
crap except in the sense of obesity.
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:51:54 GMT, "MH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:17:10 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, The Real Bev
>>> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
>>:
>>> ... There is no law requiring that employees be given vacation. Most
>>> ... companies do because it's expected, but few places are truly
>>generous.
>>> ... Some companies that offer vacations insist that it be taken or lost
>>> ... rather than accumulated into huge chunks. If management deems your
>>> ... presence too important to be allowed to take vacation before it's
>>lost,
>>> ... it would seem only proper to allow that amount to roll over to the
>>next
>>> ... period, but I don't think that's a requirement either. In California
>>it
>>> ... used to be required that employees were vested in their earned
>>vacation,
>>> ... but perhaps it's different now if it must be used or lost.
>>> ...
>>> ... When I was canned after 12 years I was paid for my accumulated unused
>>> ... vacation, but the 700+ hours of unused sick leave evaporated.
>>> ...
>>> ... Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>>> ... rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?
>>> Quality of life is much more important here. Happiness is seldom found in
>>the workplace -
>>> unless one is workaholic and thus needs psychiatric help. As a whole we
>>work to live, we
>>> don't live to work.
>>That's sad that you go to work every day hating your job.
> And again, the fact that one wants other things (like vacation)
> in addition to their work, doesnt mean they hate t heir jobs.
> I would suggest that they are simply well rounded people.
Thats arguable with those who really do enjoy their job.
Bev's comment is spot on, some do find their job
leaves what is on offer with vacations for dead.
Some just find what is available when on vacation dead boring.
Nothing to do with that rather silly 'well rounded'
crap except in the sense of obesity.
Dec 18th 2004, 5:19 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"Barbara Bomberger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, The Real Bev
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>> >The Real Bev wrote:
>>> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>>> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>>> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>>> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>>> vacation time?
>>I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>>anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>>it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>>way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>>Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>>lifestyle/
> I have no idea what you are implying here??
That's obvious.
> That jobs in Europe are "less rewarding" than jobs in American?
Nope.
> That its somehow better to live for your work, even if you love it?
Nope.
> That if you dont love working you have a problem.
Nope.
That some do find what someone is silly enough to pay them to
do much more interesting than what is possible when on 'vacation'
> I am an artist. I love my work.
So if someone would pay you to do that stuff,
you'd presumably be another that does enjoy their job.
> I also love my family and spending time with them,
Some do get paid to do that sort of thing too and have it for a job.
> traveling to new places and learning new things.
That too.
> Again, and again, how exactly does loving one's
> job preclude having other interests and a life.
She didnt say it did, just that if you have a job you find that
interesting, the alternatives may not have much interest for some.
> Personally, if I were married to one of those people
> who would rather work than take a four weeks of family
> vacation every year, I wouldnt be married to them.
And even you must have noticed that not everyone has family.
Some even shack up with someone with a similar approach.
Their choice basically.
> FWIW even when I was in the US I lived the kind of lifestyle we do
> now. Although my husband has on occasion worked late, we have
> always taken a month of leave every year, we do not ever bring
> home work or go to work on the weekends unless life as we know it
> is about to end (I work at home mostly, but in general, the rule applies).
> And you know what?? My husband absolutely LOVES his job!!
And Bev was pointing out that some get paid to do what they
love even more, and arent interested in the 'vacation' alternatives.
Their choice.
> I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion
> about the advantages and disadvantages, some folks
> need to get a new perspective.
I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion
about the advantages and disadvantages, some folks
need to realise that it aint a one size fits all world.
> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but
> ya know what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do
> everything the best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
You dont appear to be capable of actually grasping that some
prefer what they get paid to do more than the alternatives.
Their choice/advantage.
> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in
> europe, but the work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, The Real Bev
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>> >The Real Bev wrote:
>>> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>>> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>>> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>>> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>>> vacation time?
>>I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>>anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>>it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>>way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>>Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>>lifestyle/
> I have no idea what you are implying here??
That's obvious.
> That jobs in Europe are "less rewarding" than jobs in American?
Nope.
> That its somehow better to live for your work, even if you love it?
Nope.
> That if you dont love working you have a problem.
Nope.
That some do find what someone is silly enough to pay them to
do much more interesting than what is possible when on 'vacation'
> I am an artist. I love my work.
So if someone would pay you to do that stuff,
you'd presumably be another that does enjoy their job.
> I also love my family and spending time with them,
Some do get paid to do that sort of thing too and have it for a job.
> traveling to new places and learning new things.
That too.
> Again, and again, how exactly does loving one's
> job preclude having other interests and a life.
She didnt say it did, just that if you have a job you find that
interesting, the alternatives may not have much interest for some.
> Personally, if I were married to one of those people
> who would rather work than take a four weeks of family
> vacation every year, I wouldnt be married to them.
And even you must have noticed that not everyone has family.
Some even shack up with someone with a similar approach.
Their choice basically.
> FWIW even when I was in the US I lived the kind of lifestyle we do
> now. Although my husband has on occasion worked late, we have
> always taken a month of leave every year, we do not ever bring
> home work or go to work on the weekends unless life as we know it
> is about to end (I work at home mostly, but in general, the rule applies).
> And you know what?? My husband absolutely LOVES his job!!
And Bev was pointing out that some get paid to do what they
love even more, and arent interested in the 'vacation' alternatives.
Their choice.
> I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion
> about the advantages and disadvantages, some folks
> need to get a new perspective.
I think if you are going to have a reasonable discussion
about the advantages and disadvantages, some folks
need to realise that it aint a one size fits all world.
> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but
> ya know what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do
> everything the best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
You dont appear to be capable of actually grasping that some
prefer what they get paid to do more than the alternatives.
Their choice/advantage.
> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in
> europe, but the work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
Dec 18th 2004, 8:52 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
rk wrote:
> But combining sick days and vacation into a common pool is a horrible idea.
> You wind up with people who are sick and would normally stay home coming in to
> work, so as not to waste vacation days, and would get other people sick.
Bingo! (That's exactly what they do.)
>
> All employers that I am aware of allow one to carry over sick and vacation
> time to future years, although a lot of times the maximum rollover allowance
> is capped. On the order of like 900 hours.
Do you work in the U.S.? If so, where, and how large a
firm? Any place I've worked where "sick leave" was a
"benefit", it never accrued past year's end.
>
> But combining sick days and vacation into a common pool is a horrible idea.
> You wind up with people who are sick and would normally stay home coming in to
> work, so as not to waste vacation days, and would get other people sick.
Bingo! (That's exactly what they do.)
>
> All employers that I am aware of allow one to carry over sick and vacation
> time to future years, although a lot of times the maximum rollover allowance
> is capped. On the order of like 900 hours.
Do you work in the U.S.? If so, where, and how large a
firm? Any place I've worked where "sick leave" was a
"benefit", it never accrued past year's end.
>
Dec 18th 2004, 8:56 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Rod Speed wrote:
> suzn <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:AsMwd.279378$R05.236209@attbi_s53...
>
>>john <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>>>Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>
>
>>Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>
>
> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious
from alt.politics.bush, and like his fuhrer, his "facts" are
whatever he WANTS to believe!
>
>
> suzn <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:AsMwd.279378$R05.236209@attbi_s53...
>
>>john <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>>>Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>
>
>>Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>
>
> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious
from alt.politics.bush, and like his fuhrer, his "facts" are
whatever he WANTS to believe!
>
>
Dec 18th 2004, 9:01 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Bushido wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:24:01 GMT, "Melissa" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Ya must be a tax dollar-sucking government worker then
>>Not necessarily. My husband works for a smallish manufacturing firm of about
>>100 employees. He has been there 25 years, and now gets 5 weeks of vacation
>>per year, sick benefits, profit sharing, flexible spending plan, and very
>>fair work conditions.
>
>
> Aha, not to worry. About 6 months from retirement, they will
> outsource the entire manufacturing operation to Mexico or China to
> improve profit margins, and you will lose all of your benefits.
Well.... not QUITE. It would be small consolation, but by
law, accrued vacation time and the balance in his
profit-sharing account would be payable to him upon
termination - especially if it were not a voluntary quit!
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:24:01 GMT, "Melissa" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Ya must be a tax dollar-sucking government worker then
>>Not necessarily. My husband works for a smallish manufacturing firm of about
>>100 employees. He has been there 25 years, and now gets 5 weeks of vacation
>>per year, sick benefits, profit sharing, flexible spending plan, and very
>>fair work conditions.
>
>
> Aha, not to worry. About 6 months from retirement, they will
> outsource the entire manufacturing operation to Mexico or China to
> improve profit margins, and you will lose all of your benefits.
Well.... not QUITE. It would be small consolation, but by
law, accrued vacation time and the balance in his
profit-sharing account would be payable to him upon
termination - especially if it were not a voluntary quit!
Dec 18th 2004, 9:39 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:15:13 GMT, Adenosine <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 17 Dec 2004 15:09:59 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>Of course they do. And they regularly find that 40% of
>>these so-called "sick days" are taken on Mondays and Fridays.
>*chortle*
Going to work makes the employee ill.
I've had jobs like that.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>On 17 Dec 2004 15:09:59 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>Of course they do. And they regularly find that 40% of
>>these so-called "sick days" are taken on Mondays and Fridays.
>*chortle*
Going to work makes the employee ill.
I've had jobs like that.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Dec 18th 2004, 10:18 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> suzn <[email protected]> wrote
>>> john <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>>> Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
> Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious from
> alt.politics.bush,
Got a towel for that egg all over your pathetic little face, ****wit ?
Completely trivial to check which group I post to.
Too much for a terminal ****wit like you tho...
> and like his fuhrer, his "facts" are whatever he WANTS to believe!
Just as true of you with that terminally silly shit of yours just above.
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> suzn <[email protected]> wrote
>>> john <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>>> Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
> Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious from
> alt.politics.bush,
Got a towel for that egg all over your pathetic little face, ****wit ?
Completely trivial to check which group I post to.
Too much for a terminal ****wit like you tho...
> and like his fuhrer, his "facts" are whatever he WANTS to believe!
Just as true of you with that terminally silly shit of yours just above.
Dec 18th 2004, 10:26 pm
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:18:42 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]>
>wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> suzn <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> john <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>>>> Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>>> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
>> Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious from
>> alt.politics.bush,
>Got a towel for that egg all over your pathetic little face, ****wit ?
>Completely trivial to check which group I post to.
soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush,misc.consumers.f rugal-living,rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.air
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Martin
wrote:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]>
>wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> suzn <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> john <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Neither do you get paid for it when you retire or quit.
>>>> Nor do you get paid vacation or sick leave in that case either.
>>> You mostly do get the paid vacation time thats not been used.
>> Don't try to confuse this idiot with reality - he's obvious from
>> alt.politics.bush,
>Got a towel for that egg all over your pathetic little face, ****wit ?
>Completely trivial to check which group I post to.
soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush,misc.consumers.f rugal-living,rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.air
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Dec 18th 2004, 11:03 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
> >> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
> >>
> >
> >Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
> >staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
> >not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
>
> Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation"
> of figures, and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was
> indisputable.
Apparently the bean counters thought it was sufficient. No one else's
opinion matters.
I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
> between 'fake illness' and genuine, especially after they have changed
> the policy (which would have skewed the data anyway, if it even
> existed).
>
> The bullshit detector is flashing...
> --
ROTFL! Sounds as though the detector is due for recalibration.
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:03:36 -0700, Arri London <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> How on earth could they possibly know that???? Did they measure the
> >> fake illnesses before and after the implementation of the policy?
> >>
> >
> >Use your loaf mate! The number of sick days taken decreased. Since the
> >staff were unlikely to have magically become healthier suddenly, it's
> >not a stretch to work out the difference was due to nonillness.
>
> Yes it is! That type of analysis is always prone to "interpretation"
> of figures, and I doubt the difference was so dramatic that is was
> indisputable.
Apparently the bean counters thought it was sufficient. No one else's
opinion matters.
I just can't see how they could actually distiguish
> between 'fake illness' and genuine, especially after they have changed
> the policy (which would have skewed the data anyway, if it even
> existed).
>
> The bullshit detector is flashing...
> --
ROTFL! Sounds as though the detector is due for recalibration.
Dec 19th 2004, 5:07 am
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, The Real Bev
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Barbara Bomberger wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Real Bev wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
> >> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
> >>
> >> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
> >> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
> >> vacation time?
> >
> >I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
> >anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
> >it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
> >way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
> >Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
> >lifestyle/
>
> I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
> "less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
> live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
> working you have a problem.
I think that Magda is looking down her long patrician nose at the crude
Yanks who are stupid enough to spend their lives working while
sophisticated Europeans spend their abundant spare time time
appreciating art and music and food and wine and sex instead of taking
their work seriously. Pure supposition on my part, of course.
> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but ya know
> what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do everything the
> best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
Actually, I DO think that we're the best at just about everything, and
if we're not it's because we hold those things in less esteem than
others might. We learn from everybody and everything and then try to
improve on it.
Unfortunately, K-12 education seems to be one of the things that we
really do suck at now,and I'd really like to nail somebody's feet to the
floor for allowing that to happen.
> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in europe, but the
> work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
I think that's what the Eloi said before they were eaten by the
Morlocks.
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>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:03 -0800, The Real Bev
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Barbara Bomberger wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Real Bev wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
> >> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
> >>
> >> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
> >> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
> >> vacation time?
> >
> >I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
> >anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
> >it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
> >way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
> >Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
> >lifestyle/
>
> I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
> "less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
> live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
> working you have a problem.
I think that Magda is looking down her long patrician nose at the crude
Yanks who are stupid enough to spend their lives working while
sophisticated Europeans spend their abundant spare time time
appreciating art and music and food and wine and sex instead of taking
their work seriously. Pure supposition on my part, of course.
> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but ya know
> what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do everything the
> best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
Actually, I DO think that we're the best at just about everything, and
if we're not it's because we hold those things in less esteem than
others might. We learn from everybody and everything and then try to
improve on it.
Unfortunately, K-12 education seems to be one of the things that we
really do suck at now,and I'd really like to nail somebody's feet to the
floor for allowing that to happen.
> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in europe, but the
> work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
I think that's what the Eloi said before they were eaten by the
Morlocks.
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Dec 19th 2004, 6:00 am
#1198
Guest
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:46:08 GMT, "Black Metal Martha"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>> less the opposite.
>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>> Personally, I do
>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate. I would not want to
>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>goes to supporting those who care not to work
and they get a lot for that 54%. Like socialized medicine. I see no
difference between an crooked insurance company taxing me and the
government. At least in Denmark you can walk down the streets safe
and not have to climb over homeless people.
>the longer
>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
Sweden was ripped off by two capitalist pigs who looted their banking
system. Its taken them years to recover and they have gone back to
the old and safe way.
Possibly a bit more homework before posting?
THOM
>Martha
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Matti J Kinnunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Somehow I tend to remember reading that the current budget deficits
>> in USA are just the beginning, that the already promised tax cuts
>> and coming ones are not going to balance the budget, but more or
>> less the opposite.
>> I do not find this discussion very fruitfull. Both countries
>> (EU and USA) has their own good and bad sides.
>> Personally, I do
>> favour the European social security system (in which everyone
>> has healt insurance with per capita cost of about 50% of that
>> in the US), the Nordic system of free, good-quality public
>> education, the low level of crime (in most of EU),
>Let's not forget that the Danes pay the most taxes, 54% of all earned wages
>go to taxes and that they have a 50% unemployment rate. I would not want to
>live where most people do not wish to work or if I work, a bigger percentage
>goes to supporting those who care not to work
and they get a lot for that 54%. Like socialized medicine. I see no
difference between an crooked insurance company taxing me and the
government. At least in Denmark you can walk down the streets safe
and not have to climb over homeless people.
>the longer
>> holidays (even if salaries are lower, but I like to have
>> time to enjoy my salary, not just earn it), the possibility
>> to live without a car without any real problems (good, cheap,
>> safe public transport) and some other things.
>They are also just now realizing that the level of immigration from third
>world nations has just about destroyed the Scandinavian economies. Norway
>can probably recover because they stopped it sooner and the North Sea oil
>helps, but Sweden and Denmark are on the verge of complete bankruptcy.
Sweden was ripped off by two capitalist pigs who looted their banking
system. Its taken them years to recover and they have gone back to
the old and safe way.
Possibly a bit more homework before posting?
THOM
>Martha
Dec 19th 2004, 6:40 am
#1199
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Barbara Bomberger wrote
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> >> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>> >>
>> >> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>> >> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>> >> vacation time?
>> >
>> >I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>> >anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>> >it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>> >way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>> >Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>> >lifestyle/
>> I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
>> "less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
>> live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
>> working you have a problem.
> I think that Magda is looking down her long patrician nose at the
> crude Yanks who are stupid enough to spend their lives working
Or she's just rather pathetically trolling.
> while sophisticated Europeans spend their abundant spare time time
> appreciating art and music and food and wine and sex instead of
> taking their work seriously. Pure supposition on my part, of course.
>> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but
>> ya know what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do
>> everything the best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
> Actually, I DO think that we're the best at just about everything,
Nope. Have a look at the car industry, motorbike industry etc etc etc.
Have a look at food too. You yanks have invented **** all.
> and if we're not it's because we hold those things
> in less esteem than others might. We learn from
> everybody and everything and then try to improve on it.
And hardly ever do actually improve on it at all.
You lot have however fully commercialised quite a bit of decent
technology first, and have mostly ended up left behind later.
> Unfortunately, K-12 education seems to be
> one of the things that we really do suck at now,
You do indeed. Tho its arguable if it matters that with
the average monkey stacking shelves in WalMart etc
or asking the suckers in McDs if they want frys with that.
> and I'd really like to nail somebody's feet
> to the floor for allowing that to happen.
There was no indivual involved. Its mostly the stupid
system you stupid voters have allowed to happen.
In spades with your legal system thats been
completely off the ****ing rails for centurys now.
>> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in
>> europe, but the work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
> I think that's what the Eloi said before they were eaten by the Morlocks.
That is one industry you lot havent dont too badly at.
message news:[email protected]...
> Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Barbara Bomberger wrote
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> >> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
>> >> >> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
>> >>
>> >> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe find their work
>> >> enjoyable, rewarding, and fun. How does that preclude enjoying
>> >> vacation time?
>> >
>> >I know programmers who regard programming as more fun than almost
>> >anything, including vacation. Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics,
>> >it's just FUN. I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
>> >way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others, too, and I bet
>> >Magda has never bothered to thank them for her "European' drone
>> >lifestyle/
>> I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs in Europe are
>> "less rewarding" than jobs in American? That its somehow better to
>> live for your work, even if you love it? That if you dont love
>> working you have a problem.
> I think that Magda is looking down her long patrician nose at the
> crude Yanks who are stupid enough to spend their lives working
Or she's just rather pathetically trolling.
> while sophisticated Europeans spend their abundant spare time time
> appreciating art and music and food and wine and sex instead of
> taking their work seriously. Pure supposition on my part, of course.
>> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but
>> ya know what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do
>> everything the best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
> Actually, I DO think that we're the best at just about everything,
Nope. Have a look at the car industry, motorbike industry etc etc etc.
Have a look at food too. You yanks have invented **** all.
> and if we're not it's because we hold those things
> in less esteem than others might. We learn from
> everybody and everything and then try to improve on it.
And hardly ever do actually improve on it at all.
You lot have however fully commercialised quite a bit of decent
technology first, and have mostly ended up left behind later.
> Unfortunately, K-12 education seems to be
> one of the things that we really do suck at now,
You do indeed. Tho its arguable if it matters that with
the average monkey stacking shelves in WalMart etc
or asking the suckers in McDs if they want frys with that.
> and I'd really like to nail somebody's feet
> to the floor for allowing that to happen.
There was no indivual involved. Its mostly the stupid
system you stupid voters have allowed to happen.
In spades with your legal system thats been
completely off the ****ing rails for centurys now.
>> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in
>> europe, but the work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
> I think that's what the Eloi said before they were eaten by the Morlocks.
That is one industry you lot havent dont too badly at.
Dec 19th 2004, 9:43 am
#1200
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:26:50 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:17:48 +0100, Kristian <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
>It makes you wonder what planet these people live on and what their
>motives are for posting false statistics.
I have heard way too much shite about this whole "unsustainable nanny
state" stuff. Seems to always come from USAsians trying to convince
the rest of the world that doom will fall upon any nation that does
not follow their own economic model.
Why the hell would they want to make statistics up?
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>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:17:48 +0100, Kristian <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> As for the economy, I don´t think it has ever been better.
>It makes you wonder what planet these people live on and what their
>motives are for posting false statistics.
I have heard way too much shite about this whole "unsustainable nanny
state" stuff. Seems to always come from USAsians trying to convince
the rest of the world that doom will fall upon any nation that does
not follow their own economic model.
Why the hell would they want to make statistics up?
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