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Old Oct 31st 2004, 9:01 pm   #766
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Rod Speed writes
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed writes
    >>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes

    >>>>>> Cancer is "primarily a disease of old age" because it takes
    >>>>>> a long time for toxins to damage the body to the breaking point.

    >>>>> This is conjecture.

    >>>> Nope been proven a long time ago now, most obviously with smoking.

    >>> The causes of most forms of cancer remain unknown.

    >> Irrelevant to whether that 'toxin' cause has
    >> been well established with lung cancer now.

    > The original assertion was more general, to the effect that all cancers
    > are caused by toxins and that this explains their higher incidence today.

Yes, and I pointed out that problem with that claim.

And I also pointed out the problem with YOUR claim too.

    > In fact, the higher incidence of cancer today is largely explained by
    > longer life expectancies, with a few notable exceptions, such as the
    > prevalence of lung cancer, which is pretty much entirely the result
    > of smoking or (in rare cases) prolonged exposure to radon gas.

Yes, so your original 'this is conjecture' is just plain wrong with
lung cancer where its been well established to be primarily toxins.

And with lung cancer its not primarily a disease of old age
either in the sense of life expectancys seen in modern times.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 9:03 pm   #767
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:59:17 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:39:25 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
    ><[email protected]!l.nu> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:31:50 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
    >>>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
    >>>got in.
    >>!!!!!!!
    >>OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
    >>suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
    >>showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
    >A friend of mine once made it to Holland and back from the UK without
    >a passport, outgoing she was simply never asked, returning there was
    >some convincing explaining that she'd forgotten it (which she had, she
    >didn't realise until getting there that she didn't have it), but made
    >it okay, immigration asked her a few extra questions, but let her in
    >okay.

I know somebody who got out of NL without a passport and into UK with
his driving license and a strong regional accent.
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Old Oct 31st 2004, 9:39 pm   #768
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:54:31 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Deep Frayed Morgues writes:
    >> OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'???
    >I don't remember the specifics.

OK, I am sure they were accurate though!
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Old Nov 1st 2004, 1:22 am   #769
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As a Texan I would like to apologize to the entire world about the idiot
we let loose. He often confuses countries that start with the same
letter.


In article <[email protected]>,
ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >--
    >''I don't know why you're talking about Sweden,'' Bush said. ''They're the
    >neutral one. They don't have an army.''
    >Lantos paused, a little shocked, and offered a gentlemanly reply: ''Mr.
    >President, you may have thought that I said Switzerland. They're the ones
    >that are historically neutral, without an army.'' Then Lantos mentioned, in
    >a gracious aside, that the Swiss do have a tough national guard to protect
    >the country in the event of invasion.
    >Bush held to his view. ''No, no, it's Sweden that has no army.''
    >The room went silent, until someone changed the subject.
    >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/ma...USH.html?oref=
    >login&pagewanted=print&position=
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 1:41 am   #770
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In article <[email protected]>,
ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >He's correct. Not only does the U.S. lack paid vacation time, in many cases
    >it lacks paid holidays and it certainly lacks a decent healthcare system.
    >Compliments of our corporate plutocracy.

As a bonus, we also have unsustainable budget and current account (trade)
deficits eroding our currency, middle class people who have gone over a year
with no job, and a President who sits around fondling Sadaam Hussein's pistol
every day.
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 1:50 am   #771
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    >Speak for yourself -- maybe that's what you did when you worked in an
    >office, but your sweeping ignorant generalization is an insult to most
    >working people.

Actually, it was what mostly EVERYBODY else did, much to my
frustration. I wasn't able to continue working there because I had a
very strong work ethic and I actually answered the telephone when it
rang. Much to the displeasure of my co-workers.

Em
Be careful what you wish for....
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 1:52 am   #772
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    >That's quite a "put down" What do *you* do for a living?

Just recounting what happened. At the time I was working for a
medical billing firm. Unfortunately, I didnt' work there very long
because I couldn't stand to see people ignored when they were calling
for help and clarification of the EOBs (Explanation of benefits).
Sadly, the company I worked for was more concerned with planning baby
showers for their pregnant employees than actually providing the
service that they were being paid for.

Em
Be careful what you wish for....
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 2:10 am   #773
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In article <[email protected]>, Magda <> wrote:
    >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:23:13 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic
    ><[email protected]>
    >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... Jonathan writes:
    > ...
    > ... > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > ... > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > ... > we get paid public holidays.
    > ...
    > ... Many people don't get any paid leave at all.
    >Now, you *have* to be kidding us. Are you telling us that slave work is
    >legal over there??

"FREEDOM IS SLAVERY" is a favorite GOP mindset. "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH" is
Bush's personal motto. We have a political Party here that has unofficially
adopted all of Orwell's political slogans.
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 2:21 am   #774
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Jonathan writes:
    >> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    >> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    >> we get paid public holidays.
    >Many people don't get any paid leave at all. And sometimes it takes
    >five years to get ten days, and thirty years to get fifteen days.
    >> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    >> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus

In all fairness certain Americans do get lots of vacation. George W. Bush
for example spent 44% of his time on vacation through 09/11/01.
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 2:26 am   #775
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[email protected] wrote:

    >middle class people who have gone over a year with no job,

The Bush administration prefers to call them self-employed consultants.

gld

(no smiley as usual, I have too many friends drawing down their 401K's
since their benefits ended last Christmas. They can't leave Illinois, I was
able to relocate ...)
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 2:51 am   #776
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Default USA: Screwed up health care system encourages stingy vacation time

In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>He's correct. Not only does the U.S. lack paid vacation time, in many cases
    >>it lacks paid holidays and it certainly lacks a decent healthcare system.

The 2nd problem strongly encourages the first problem. US companies are
at a natural disadvantage in labor costs because they get stuck paying
for health care while every other first world country has a univeral
health care system. Because of these inflated labor costs American
companies in particular have a special incentive to hire as few workers
as possible and while giving each worker as little vacation time as possible.
A screwed up health care system is a large part of the reason Americans
have the lowest vacation levels of the entire first world.
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 3:03 am   #777
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In article <[email protected]>,
sweetchild <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Isn't McDungs's buying most if not all of their meat for hamburgers from the
    >Aussies??
    >More outsourcing...
    >My hubby gets one week vacation at Safeway-- after a full year of working
    >....he took a cut when taking that job....the supermarket is Genuardi's
    >which USED to be a decent place to work for until Safeway took over in
    >2001.... the grandfather clause applies to the pre 2001 employees who are
    >getting 3 and 4 weeks vacation and better wages ...2 weeks will be available
    >for him after 5 years..or is it 10 years ??
    >We cannot afford their health insurance because it is like at least 25% of
    >his gross pay ....
    >He works his a$$ off for them believe me!

In Texas Walmart is causing every grocery store chain in the area to
start phasing out health insurance for their workers. Another American
success story.
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 3:06 am   #778
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > As a Texan I would like to apologize to the
    > entire world about the idiot we let loose.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

    > He often confuses countries that start with the same letter.

So do many of the voters. I doubt most of them care.


    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>--
    >>''I don't know why you're talking about Sweden,'' Bush said. ''They're the
    >>neutral one. They don't have an army.''
    >>Lantos paused, a little shocked, and offered a gentlemanly reply: ''Mr.
    >>President, you may have thought that I said Switzerland. They're the ones
    >>that are historically neutral, without an army.'' Then Lantos mentioned, in
    >>a gracious aside, that the Swiss do have a tough national guard to protect
    >>the country in the event of invasion.
    >>Bush held to his view. ''No, no, it's Sweden that has no army.''
    >>The room went silent, until someone changed the subject.
    >>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/ma...USH.html?oref=
    >>login&pagewanted=print&position=
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 3:07 am   #779
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[email protected] wrote:

    >In Texas Walmart is causing every grocery store chain in the
    >area to start phasing out health insurance for their workers.

Wal-Mart at least has the decency to inform its employees of all the public
assistance programs they may qualify for, in light of their low incomes.

gld
 
Old Nov 1st 2004, 3:07 am   #780
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<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>He's correct. Not only does the U.S. lack paid vacation time, in many cases
    >>it lacks paid holidays and it certainly lacks a decent healthcare system.
    >>Compliments of our corporate plutocracy.
    > As a bonus, we also have unsustainable budget and current account (trade)
    > deficits eroding our currency, middle class people who have gone over a year
    > with no job, and a President who sits around fondling Sadaam Hussein's pistol
    > every day.

Best do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
 
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