Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:50:09 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>Rod Speed writes:
>> That 'near poverty level' is pretty luxurious tho.
>Not compared to the wealthy or the former middle class.
>> Mindless drivel. The number who own or are buying their own homes
>> is nothing even remotely resembling anything like 'nearly nonexistent'
>There's much more to the former middle-class standard of living than
>having a home.
In England they have frighteningly large overdrafts too.
The bubble is about to burst.
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>Rod Speed writes:
>> That 'near poverty level' is pretty luxurious tho.
>Not compared to the wealthy or the former middle class.
>> Mindless drivel. The number who own or are buying their own homes
>> is nothing even remotely resembling anything like 'nearly nonexistent'
>There's much more to the former middle-class standard of living than
>having a home.
In England they have frighteningly large overdrafts too.
The bubble is about to burst.
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>> In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>> that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
> That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
> that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
He's got that 800 euro watch to fall back on.
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> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>> In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>> that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
> That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
> that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
He's got that 800 euro watch to fall back on.
miguel
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:57:53 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
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>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Rod Speed writes:
>>> That 'near poverty level' is pretty luxurious tho.
>> Not compared to the wealthy or the former middle class.
>Another lie. And there is nothing 'former' about the middle class.
The middle class used to have real wealth not just a sodding great
overdraft.
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>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Rod Speed writes:
>>> That 'near poverty level' is pretty luxurious tho.
>> Not compared to the wealthy or the former middle class.
>Another lie. And there is nothing 'former' about the middle class.
The middle class used to have real wealth not just a sodding great
overdraft.
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:51:29 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>[email protected] writes:
>> I thought all were.
>In France you work 35-hour weeks, and you get typically 6 weeks of
>vacation per year ... by law.
plus public holidays.
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>[email protected] writes:
>> I thought all were.
>In France you work 35-hour weeks, and you get typically 6 weeks of
>vacation per year ... by law.
plus public holidays.
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:26:53 GMT, Bob Ward <[email protected]>
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>But, on the other hand, you've got Rod Speed - so our quality of life
>is still higher.
We would be willing to make a great sacrifice and give him to you if
that would help level things off a bit :-)
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>But, on the other hand, you've got Rod Speed - so our quality of life
>is still higher.
We would be willing to make a great sacrifice and give him to you if
that would help level things off a bit :-)
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"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires
>> them to work far more than is healthy.
> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
Karoshi anyone? Visit:
http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...01-000003.html
D. Lloyd
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> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires
>> them to work far more than is healthy.
> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
Karoshi anyone? Visit:
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D. Lloyd
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Gregory Toomey wrote:
> Jonathan wrote:
>
>> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
>> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
>> we get paid public holidays.
>>
>> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
>> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
>> they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
>> productive countries in the world.
>>
>> If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
>> such a system and not lose their mind???
>>
>> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
>> highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
>> that no matter how much they paid me.
>
> By way of comparison, the average in Australia is 4-5 weeks vacation.
> Plus Australia has free healthcare, funded pensions, a growing budget
> surplus, & has been the best performing western economy for 5 years.
> Ooh, and the best beaches.
>
> gtoomey
And the best chicks :)
> Jonathan wrote:
>
>> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
>> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
>> we get paid public holidays.
>>
>> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
>> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
>> they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
>> productive countries in the world.
>>
>> If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
>> such a system and not lose their mind???
>>
>> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
>> highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
>> that no matter how much they paid me.
>
> By way of comparison, the average in Australia is 4-5 weeks vacation.
> Plus Australia has free healthcare, funded pensions, a growing budget
> surplus, & has been the best performing western economy for 5 years.
> Ooh, and the best beaches.
>
> gtoomey
And the best chicks :)
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:52:48 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
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><[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> And the size of the house has increased substantially too from say the
>>>> 50s.
>>> So has the price ... much more than the size.
>> My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
>> houses haven't changed size.
>In the USA? New houses have become gigantic, freakishly so. I think it's
>because everyone is afraid to go outside anymore, so they need to enclose
>enough space to live out their lives in. Ditto with the freaskishly large
>vehicles.
In parts of Europe they are running out of building land, this
constrains the size of houses.
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><[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> And the size of the house has increased substantially too from say the
>>>> 50s.
>>> So has the price ... much more than the size.
>> My impression is that new houses are smaller than old houses, and old
>> houses haven't changed size.
>In the USA? New houses have become gigantic, freakishly so. I think it's
>because everyone is afraid to go outside anymore, so they need to enclose
>enough space to live out their lives in. Ditto with the freaskishly large
>vehicles.
In parts of Europe they are running out of building land, this
constrains the size of houses.
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:55:28 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [email protected] writes:
>>>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>>>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>>> In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>>> that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
>> That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
>> that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
>He's got that 800 euro watch to fall back on.
In his back pocket? :-)
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><[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [email protected] writes:
>>>> I don't know where you got that idea from. In Western Europe you can
>>>> buy a colour TV with the income from a few days work.
>>> In France, it would take me almost a month's pay to buy a color TV, and
>>> that's only if I had nothing else to pay for.
>> That says more about your income than anything else. Are you saying
>> that your monthly income is less than Euro 200?
>He's got that 800 euro watch to fall back on.
In his back pocket? :-)
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed [email protected] wrote
>>> it's actually very common for people with less than 2-5 years at a company
>>> to only get 1 week's vacation, and that isn't necessarily paid vacation.
>> Small subset of 'people in the US'
> Is it a small subset?
Yep.
> Ive been given the impression US workforce is very mobile
> and change jobs and location much more than Europeans?
Irrelevant when most get 2 weeks in that 2-5 years.
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> Rod Speed [email protected] wrote
>>> it's actually very common for people with less than 2-5 years at a company
>>> to only get 1 week's vacation, and that isn't necessarily paid vacation.
>> Small subset of 'people in the US'
> Is it a small subset?
Yep.
> Ive been given the impression US workforce is very mobile
> and change jobs and location much more than Europeans?
Irrelevant when most get 2 weeks in that 2-5 years.
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D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires them
>>> to work far more than is healthy.
>> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
>> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
> I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
Nope, any sensible measure of 'healthy'
produces the same result on that.
>> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
>> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
>> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
> Karoshi anyone? Visit:
> http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...01-000003.html
And the Jap health stats are significantly better than the US.
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> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires them
>>> to work far more than is healthy.
>> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
>> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
> I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
Nope, any sensible measure of 'healthy'
produces the same result on that.
>> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
>> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
>> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
> Karoshi anyone? Visit:
> http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...01-000003.html
And the Jap health stats are significantly better than the US.
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:18:11 +1000, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires them
>>>> to work far more than is healthy.
>>> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
>>> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
>> I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
>Nope, any sensible measure of 'healthy'
>produces the same result on that.
>>> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
>>> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
>>> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
>> Karoshi anyone? Visit:
>> http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...01-000003.html
>And the Jap health stats are significantly better than the US.
which are better than UK ...
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>D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>> D. Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system which requires them
>>>> to work far more than is healthy.
>>> Not a shred of evidence of any health benefit
>>> of more than 2 weeks vacation per year.
>> I guess that depends on what your definition of "healthy" is.
>Nope, any sensible measure of 'healthy'
>produces the same result on that.
>>> In fact Japan which is rather notorious for salarymen choosing to not
>>> use all the vacation time they are entitled to do rather better on the
>>> basic health stats than almost any other modern first world country.
>> Karoshi anyone? Visit:
>> http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...01-000003.html
>And the Jap health stats are significantly better than the US.
which are better than UK ...
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:16:11 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>I detest work. It bores and stresses me, and I am constantly looking
>at ways to do less of it for more money. This is an attitude that was
>viewed as blasphemy last time (early 2001) I was in the US. In the
>company I was working at, it was expected that everyone arrived an
>hour before they started getting paid, and stopped two hours after
>they stopped getting paid. A large number of them worked at least one
>day on the weekend too.
>I suggested one day that we should all work our ass's of until 5:30
>(after which we would not be being paid) and then go relax in a bar
>over a couple of drinks, and casually discuss project strategy and
>whatever other shit we could think of, and they looked at me like I
>had antennae coming out of my head!
>The real crunch came when I refused a green card offer. They really
>seemed hurt by this.
>---
>DFM
LOL. Fastest way to completely dumfound an American when they ask how
you like the US is to say: "nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to
live here". Usually they genuinely can not even comprehend that
statement.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>I detest work. It bores and stresses me, and I am constantly looking
>at ways to do less of it for more money. This is an attitude that was
>viewed as blasphemy last time (early 2001) I was in the US. In the
>company I was working at, it was expected that everyone arrived an
>hour before they started getting paid, and stopped two hours after
>they stopped getting paid. A large number of them worked at least one
>day on the weekend too.
>I suggested one day that we should all work our ass's of until 5:30
>(after which we would not be being paid) and then go relax in a bar
>over a couple of drinks, and casually discuss project strategy and
>whatever other shit we could think of, and they looked at me like I
>had antennae coming out of my head!
>The real crunch came when I refused a green card offer. They really
>seemed hurt by this.
>---
>DFM
LOL. Fastest way to completely dumfound an American when they ask how
you like the US is to say: "nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to
live here". Usually they genuinely can not even comprehend that
statement.
--==++AJC++==--
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zach wrote:
>
>
> So are you proud to admit to being lazy in front of thousands of
> people? Interesting...
Let's see if I have this correct:
Idle rich = good
Idle poor = bad
Does that cover it?
-- Ron
>
>
> So are you proud to admit to being lazy in front of thousands of
> people? Interesting...
Let's see if I have this correct:
Idle rich = good
Idle poor = bad
Does that cover it?
-- Ron
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:57:31 +0200, AJC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>The real crunch came when I refused a green card offer. They really
>>seemed hurt by this.
>>---
>>DFM
>LOL. Fastest way to completely dumfound an American when they ask how
>you like the US is to say: "nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to
>live here". Usually they genuinely can not even comprehend that
>statement.
>--==++AJC++==--
but you get a similar response at Schiphol.
Koninklijk Marechausse squinting at passport: How long are you
planning to stay in the Netherlands?
Passport holder: As little time as possible.
<pregnant silence>
KM: then enjoy your holiday sir
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>>The real crunch came when I refused a green card offer. They really
>>seemed hurt by this.
>>---
>>DFM
>LOL. Fastest way to completely dumfound an American when they ask how
>you like the US is to say: "nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to
>live here". Usually they genuinely can not even comprehend that
>statement.
>--==++AJC++==--
but you get a similar response at Schiphol.
Koninklijk Marechausse squinting at passport: How long are you
planning to stay in the Netherlands?
Passport holder: As little time as possible.
<pregnant silence>
KM: then enjoy your holiday sir
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Martin