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Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:05 am   #1
Jonathan
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Default Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???

When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
we get paid public holidays.

In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
productive countries in the world.

If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
such a system and not lose their mind???

Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
that no matter how much they paid me.
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:12 am   #2
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"Jonathan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.
    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???
    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.


Jonathan:

You have no idea how right you are. We are nuts for work here but have
little to show for it. My wife and I plan to retire to Italy or Greece, IF
we can keep working long enough. She get's 4 weeks a year and I take what I
can, being self employed.

Hang in there and don't imitate us. It 'aint worth it.
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:17 am   #3
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Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks

Thats bullshit.

    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe
    > it. He said yeah but we get paid public holidays.

    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays .
    > Other countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays.

    > Plus they only work 35 hours per week yet they are
    > one of the most productive countries in the world.

Like hell they are.

    > If this is true about the US,

It aint.

    > how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???

No 'mind' to lose with most of them.

    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system
    > would breed highly neurotic and hysterical people.

No comment.

    > I wouldn't want to live like that no matter how much they paid me.

No one would be silly enough to pay you a cent.

You cant even manage a viable troll, child.
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:23 am   #4
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"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > Thats bullshit.
    >> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe
    >> it. He said yeah but we get paid public holidays.
    >> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays .
    >> Other countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays.
    >> Plus they only work 35 hours per week yet they are
    >> one of the most productive countries in the world.
    > Like hell they are.
    >> If this is true about the US,
    > It aint.
    >> how can the average American live under
    >> such a system and not lose their mind???
    > No 'mind' to lose with most of them.
    >> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system
    >> would breed highly neurotic and hysterical people.
    > No comment.
    >> I wouldn't want to live like that no matter how much they paid me.
    > No one would be silly enough to pay you a cent.
    > You cant even manage a viable troll, child.

He's correct. Not only does the U.S. lack paid vacation time, in many cases
it lacks paid holidays and it certainly lacks a decent healthcare system.
Compliments of our corporate plutocracy.


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last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million,
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the country in the event of invasion.

Bush held to his view. ''No, no, it's Sweden that has no army.''

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Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:33 am   #5
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"Jonathan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.
    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???
    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.

Yeah but we get more vacation time in the long run... while we're between
jobs that have been outsourced. ;-)
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 4:34 am   #6
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    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.
    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???

Why do you think the murder rate is so high over here? :-D
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 5:22 am   #7
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Sounds like jealousy rod

Rod Speed wrote:

    > Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >
    >>When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    >
    >
    > Thats bullshit.
    >
    >
    >>of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe
    >>it. He said yeah but we get paid public holidays.
    >
    >
    >>In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays .
    >>Other countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays.
    >
    >
    >>Plus they only work 35 hours per week yet they are
    >>one of the most productive countries in the world.
    >
    >
    > Like hell they are.
    >
    >
    >>If this is true about the US,
    >
    >
    > It aint.
    >
    >
    >>how can the average American live under
    >>such a system and not lose their mind???
    >
    >
    > No 'mind' to lose with most of them.
    >
    >
    >>Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system
    >>would breed highly neurotic and hysterical people.
    >
    >
    > No comment.
    >
    >
    >>I wouldn't want to live like that no matter how much they paid me.
    >
    >
    > No one would be silly enough to pay you a cent.
    >
    > You cant even manage a viable troll, child.
    >
    >
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 5:23 am   #8
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Jonathan writes:

    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.

Many people don't get any paid leave at all. And sometimes it takes
five years to get ten days, and thirty years to get fifteen days.

    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.

The United States has not yet learned the advantages of vacation.

    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???

They die young and they tend to become very fat. Their lives pass them
by.

    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.

It does indeed breed neurosis and other stress-related problems.

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Old Oct 27th 2004, 5:24 am   #9
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Rod Speed writes:

    > Thats bullshit.

Not everyone gets a full two weeks, that's true.

    > Like hell they are.

Actually they are.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Old Oct 27th 2004, 5:26 am   #10
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Jonathan wrote:

    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two
    > weeks of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it.

It's called the protestant worth ethic.

Work will set you free.

Even when you're on vacation, many people take work with them, stay
connected to the office via PDA's and e-mail, etc.

It's a grind. Many people work at jobs that really should be given to
two people. But it's cheaper that way for corporations. They employ
fewer people than they should, have lower benefit and pension costs
(if they have a solvent pension plan), and work them hard to do the
job of 2 people. And they'll outsource your job to India unless you
(a) don't take any vacation and (b) do the work of 3 people. Vacation
planning is hard when you are short-staffed as it is.

Hey, you think the amount of vacation time is bad? Has anyone told
you about maternity leave in the US? Sick time?

And still people manage to spend themselves into debt and barely get
by, paycheck to paycheck, buying Jap cars and Chinese appliances.

But to be fair, if they're still working at the same job for 10 years
they'll probably get an extra week of vacation time per year, and
another week in another 10 years.

    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American
    > live under such a system and not lose their mind???

Same reason they can stomach having a monkey for a president, and laws
like the "patriot act".

Now shut up and get back to work!
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 6:02 am   #11
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"ThePresidentWhoCouldn'tProtectUS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    >> Thats bullshit.
    >>> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe
    >>> it. He said yeah but we get paid public holidays.
    >>> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays .
    >>> Other countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays.
    >>> Plus they only work 35 hours per week yet they are
    >>> one of the most productive countries in the world.
    >> Like hell they are.
    >>> If this is true about the US,
    >> It aint.
    >>> how can the average American live under
    >>> such a system and not lose their mind???
    >> No 'mind' to lose with most of them.
    >>> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system
    >>> would breed highly neurotic and hysterical people.
    >> No comment.
    >>> I wouldn't want to live like that no matter how much they paid me.
    >> No one would be silly enough to pay you a cent.
    >> You cant even manage a viable troll, child.

    > He's correct.

Nope.

    > Not only does the U.S. lack paid vacation time,

Lie.

    > in many cases it lacks paid holidays

Another lie.

Reams of rabid political lies flushed where they belong.
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 6:36 am   #12
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:33:23 GMT, "js" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Jonathan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:4[email protected]
    >> When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    >> of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    >> we get paid public holidays.
    >> In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    >> countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    >> they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    >> productive countries in the world.
    >> If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    >> such a system and not lose their mind???
    >> Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    >> highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    >> that no matter how much they paid me.
    >Yeah but we get more vacation time in the long run... while we're between
    >jobs that have been outsourced. ;-)

Good one, js
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 6:39 am   #13
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Jonathan wrote:

    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    >
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.
    >
    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???
    >
    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.

By way of comparison, the average in Australia is 4-5 weeks vacation.
Plus Australia has free healthcare, funded pensions, a growing budget
surplus, & has been the best performing western economy for 5 years.
Ooh, and the best beaches.

gtoomey
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 6:43 am   #14
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"Jonathan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.


Most Europeans have much more time for themselves and their families than
North Americans. Canadians (of which I am one) also suffer under a system
which requires them to work far more than is healthy. Most people here also
start off with 2 weeks vacation, which only slowly increases after several
years with a company. Unfortunately, over here, 40 hours per week is
typical and it's quite often more depending on the type of job you do. It's
odd here, most people would love more time off, yet they grab whatever
overtime they can get in some desperate attemp to "get ahead". By the time
we get ahead (which is not always the case) we are old with such a short
time left to enjoy.


    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???

I guess it's because it's been that way for a long time and people expect
it. Not that it hasn't taken a toll on society at large. When a society
places it's citizens in a position of racing to keep up to everyone else,
it's bound to affect them in unhealthy ways. Just look at the current state
of American society (and Canada to a lesser degree). Not very good.


    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.


In the U.S. it isn't all about work. It's all about money. Specifically
making money for the Rich. In order to do that, citizens must believe that
it is possible to grab a piece of the American dream no matter how small
that piece may be. Willing to trade so much of their lives for more money
so they can be more like all those rich and famous icons on American TV.
Constantly bombarded with advertisement for stuff which will fill the void
left because they have such little else in life. Only to desire more and
more because the void gets bigger and bigger. It's a sad fantasy. But I
think some people over here are starting to wake up from this fantasy.

People in Europe are very lucky. Don't fall for the fantasy. Don't ever
let them take that which is most precious to you......time.

D. Lloyd
 
Old Oct 27th 2004, 6:50 am   #15
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"Jonathan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.

I work for a very large UK company. I am on a 36 hour week, I work one 5
day week followed by one 4 day week (Monday to Friday) this equates to 26
scheduled days off a year. On top of that I get 6 weeks annual leave. Add
the 26 scheduled days off makes a total of 11 weeks 1 day plus the public
holidays.
 
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