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Old Jul 27th 2005, 12:32 pm   #1
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Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
seating on ICE and IC trains?

I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?

Thanks!!
 
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 12:55 pm   #2
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Dayna <nope@nevermind.dot.com> wrote:
    > Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    > seating on ICE and IC trains?

    > I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    > on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    > do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?

Second Class is very comfortable. I'll be travelling exclusively 2nd class
train during my first 7 weeks in Germany this fall. There are areas in the
end of the cars where you can leave a large suitcase. I've never had a problem with it, but I never leave valuables in those suitcases. I, also, will be
travelling with a large suitcase.

Julie


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Old Jul 27th 2005, 1:02 pm   #3
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Dayna wrote:
    > Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    > seating on ICE and IC trains?
First class has more room and costs 50% more. It seems that you are
going for the first time. Take a look at my page on using the trains in
Europe.
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap17/rail.htm
    >
    > I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    > on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    > do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?

How large is large? Here are some tips for lugging luggage around
Europe. Pack light is your best strategy.
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap07/luggage.htm
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    > Thanks!!
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    >

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Old Jul 27th 2005, 1:14 pm   #4
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John Bermont <bermontNOSPAMMERS@enjoy-europe.com> wrote:
    > How large is large? Here are some tips for lugging luggage around
    > Europe. Pack light is your best strategy.
    > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap07/luggage.htm


My thoughts exactly, except sometimes you can't. I'll be in Europe form
September 30 to December 4, and both the length of a trip and the fact
that it happens as the weather is changing mean that I will need a lot of
stuff. Since I'm going for classes, and for 4 weeks at a time can park most
of my stuff, I'm taking 2 bags; a big wheeled suitcase for the stuff that
I'll mostly park, and a backpack style bag to go places on weekends.

So I'll be in the same situation as the OP some of the time.

Julie

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Old Jul 27th 2005, 3:37 pm   #5
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:32:32 GMT, "Dayna" <nope@nevermind.dot.com>
wrote:

    >Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    >seating on ICE and IC trains?

1st Class costs more and has less people. The seats are marginally
more comfortable.

    >I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    >on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    >do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?

You will find somewhere. There's usually plenty of space.
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 4:20 pm   #6
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"Dayna" <nope@nevermind.dot.com> wrote in message
news:A9LFe.116$gQ5.68@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com.. .
    > Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    > seating on ICE and IC trains?
    > I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    > on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    > do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?
    > Thanks!!

There is some marginal difference in the comfort of the seats, but the real
difference is how crowded the compartment will be. The only time I think it
is worthwhile to pay for 1st class is when I travel at peak times on busy
routes. Even then, it is seldom really necessary or even important.

At the end of the cars there is space for large suitcases.

Paul
 
Old Jul 27th 2005, 5:19 pm   #7
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:20:39 -0500, "pfriedmanNoSpam"
<p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote:

    >There is some marginal difference in the comfort of the seats, but the real
    >difference is how crowded the compartment will be. The only time I think it
    >is worthwhile to pay for 1st class is when I travel at peak times on busy
    >routes. Even then, it is seldom really necessary or even important.

Actually, the only time I travel first class is when second class is
full.

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Old Jul 27th 2005, 5:22 pm   #8
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:19:58 +0200, B Vaughan<me@privacy.net> wrote:

    >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:20:39 -0500, "pfriedmanNoSpam"
    ><p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>There is some marginal difference in the comfort of the seats, but the real
    >>difference is how crowded the compartment will be. The only time I think it
    >>is worthwhile to pay for 1st class is when I travel at peak times on busy
    >>routes. Even then, it is seldom really necessary or even important.
    >Actually, the only time I travel first class is when second class is
    >full.

Beat me to it, PLUS when somebody else pays.
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Old Jul 28th 2005, 12:17 am   #9
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"pfriedmanNoSpam" <p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:keudnZB6NZzKKXrfRVn-qA@comcast.com...
    > "Dayna" <nope@nevermind.dot.com> wrote in message
    > news:A9LFe.116$gQ5.68@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com.. .
    >> Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    >> seating on ICE and IC trains?
    >> I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    >> on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    >> do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?
    > There is some marginal difference in the comfort of the seats, but the
    > real difference is how crowded the compartment will be. The only time I
    > think it is worthwhile to pay for 1st class is when I travel at peak times
    > on busy routes. Even then, it is seldom really necessary or even
    > important.
    > At the end of the cars there is space for large suitcases.

Isn't there more space for suitcases in first class than in second? Or does
this vary?

Marianne
 
Old Jul 28th 2005, 1:58 am   #10
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"Mimi" <johndoe@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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    > "pfriedmanNoSpam" <p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:keudnZB6NZzKKXrfRVn-qA@comcast.com...
    >> "Dayna" <nope@nevermind.dot.com> wrote in message
    >> news:A9LFe.116$gQ5.68@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com.. .
    >>> Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    >>> seating on ICE and IC trains?
    >>> I will be traveling from Frankfurt Airport to Eindhoven, Netherlands
    >>> on October 15th. I'm trying to find out the question above, plus where
    >>> do I store my large wheeled suitcase on the trains?
    >> There is some marginal difference in the comfort of the seats, but the
    >> real difference is how crowded the compartment will be. The only time I
    >> think it is worthwhile to pay for 1st class is when I travel at peak
    >> times on busy routes. Even then, it is seldom really necessary or even
    >> important.
    >> At the end of the cars there is space for large suitcases.
    > Isn't there more space for suitcases in first class than in second? Or
    > does this vary?
    > Marianne

Yes, there is. But, for what it is worth, I have almost never had any
problem finding space in 2nd class. (The exception was traveling during the
first day of school holiday.

Paul
 
Old Jul 28th 2005, 4:04 am   #11
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"pfriedmanNoSpam" <p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote:
    > ... for what it is worth, I have almost never had any problem finding
    > space in 2nd class. (The exception was traveling during the first day
    > of school holiday.

My 2 cents: Even if 1st class costs substantially more than 2d
class, and the comfort of the seats and luggage space in 1st class
is only slightly better, considering how much I'm spending on the
trip over-all, I'm gonna indulge myself and partake of this minor
luxury. =R=
 
Old Jul 28th 2005, 4:48 am   #12
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"Rog'" <rcblinnNoSpam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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    > "pfriedmanNoSpam" <p.paulfriedmanNoSpam@comcast.net> wrote:
    >> ... for what it is worth, I have almost never had any problem finding
    >> space in 2nd class. (The exception was traveling during the first day
    >> of school holiday.
    > My 2 cents: Even if 1st class costs substantially more than 2d
    > class, and the comfort of the seats and luggage space in 1st class
    > is only slightly better, considering how much I'm spending on the
    > trip over-all, I'm gonna indulge myself and partake of this minor
    > luxury. =R=

Feel free :)

Actually, I do sit in 1st sometimes .. when I want to read or sleep.
Conversations are more likely and more interesting in 2nd, though.

Paul
 
Old Jul 28th 2005, 4:58 am   #13
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"John Bermont" <bermontNOSPAMMERS@enjoy-europe.com> skrev i meddelandet
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    > Dayna wrote:
    >> Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    >> seating on ICE and IC trains?
    > First class has more room and costs 50% more.
Normally but not always. Sometimes you'll find that 1cl have the same size
as 2cl.
And the price isn't always 50% more,
In Norway, as an example the Komfort 1cl is at 75NOK supplement regardless
of distance.
In Sweden you may find prebooking 1cl tickets at a lower price than 2cl,
same train !!
 
Old Jul 28th 2005, 8:48 am   #14
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Lennart Petersen <lennart.petersen@swipnet.se> wrote:

    > "John Bermont" <bermontNOSPAMMERS@enjoy-europe.com> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:42E785FC.3000502@enjoy-europe.com...
    > > Dayna wrote:
    > >> Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    > >> seating on ICE and IC trains?
    > > First class has more room and costs 50% more.
    > Normally but not always. Sometimes you'll find that 1cl have the same size
    > as 2cl.
    > And the price isn't always 50% more,
    > In Norway, as an example the Komfort 1cl is at 75NOK supplement regardless
    > of distance.
    > In Sweden you may find prebooking 1cl tickets at a lower price than 2cl,
    > same train !!

On those trains, wouldn't you be able to prebook 2nd class cheaper than
prebooked 1st? I used to take first class on Virgin because, due to an
odd discrepancy in their booking requirements, you could prebook peak
trains for about a third of the price. They eventually got rid of that
little 'error' though...

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Old Jul 28th 2005, 9:22 am   #15
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:48:43 +0100, this_address_is_for_spam@yahoo.com
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:

    >Lennart Petersen <lennart.petersen@swipnet.se> wrote:
    >> "John Bermont" <bermontNOSPAMMERS@enjoy-europe.com> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:42E785FC.3000502@enjoy-europe.com...
    >> > Dayna wrote:
    >> >> Could anyone please tell me the difference in 1st and 2nd Class
    >> >> seating on ICE and IC trains?
    >> > First class has more room and costs 50% more.
    >> Normally but not always. Sometimes you'll find that 1cl have the same size
    >> as 2cl.
    >> And the price isn't always 50% more,
    >> In Norway, as an example the Komfort 1cl is at 75NOK supplement regardless
    >> of distance.
    >> In Sweden you may find prebooking 1cl tickets at a lower price than 2cl,
    >> same train !!
    >On those trains, wouldn't you be able to prebook 2nd class cheaper than
    >prebooked 1st? I used to take first class on Virgin because, due to an
    >odd discrepancy in their booking requirements, you could prebook peak
    >trains for about a third of the price. They eventually got rid of that
    >little 'error' though...

Likewise the Dutch NS used to sell tickets in NL for unlimited travel
for X days on BR that unintentionally included the night sleeper to
Scotland, for less than the night sleeper fare.
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