SOUTH AFRICAN ID
 

Hi

I have just got permanent residence for me and my family in south africa. We are just waiting to get passports stamped. My question is will we get ID automatically or do we need to apply for it. We are still in the uk at the moment.

Steve

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Hi Stevan,

Well done getting your PR.
If you have got the PR stamped into your passports, why bother with SA ID?

I got my PR donkey's years ago, and the wife always says I should get my SA ID, but I see it as not necessary, and just costing more money.
i could be quite wrong,
Now to think of it, maybe I should go get it.
Go to Home Affairs in Barrack Street CT.
Not automatic, but quite quick.
Can't be done over the 'net.

'vette

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The benefit of an ID is that when doing things like banking, car licence etc, it is more readily accepted. Generally a car licence is not. I would not like to have to drag my passport around for this.
It will be 3 trips. One to get the forms.
Second to deliver, get finger prints taken, photo checked, pay the fee
and 3rd to collect.
Some offices have queues early in the morning, others not. Can take as little as half hour but as long as half a day. Q no more and a few other places do this for you but at high cost

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we where very lucky to get PR very quickly. we were in cape town to get temporary residence when the rand jumped to 19 to the pound. I have a pension which normaly wouldnt have qualified. The high exchange rate for that week made it possible. our agent submited PR straight away. It only took 4 months from submitting to approval. We will be moving to Margate KZN so if ID isnt essential will have a stroll into Port Shepston Home Affairs when im fed up sunbathing.

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Your local branch of the Dept of Home Affairs will issue you with an ID book (I assume it's still a little book rather than a card). You need to apply once you're there in SA.

Everybody resident in SA who is either a Permanent Resident (i.e., a non-citizen) or who is a SA citizen needs to have an ID number.

Temporary residents (those on temporary work permits or of course tourists) do not.

Don't confuse "South African ID" with "South African citizenship". They are two different things (I think Vette above was confusing the two).

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Sorry..l was unsure of where to put this question.

My husband is a south African resident (permanent). He has lived here in the uk for 9 years.
Now he wants to sell his flat there, we have a buyer etc. But the hold up is he does not have I.D. and therefore we are told he will have to emmigrate and get tax clearance.
Is it this Home Affairs page we sould be looking on or is there some other way of doing this? We have been sending forms, photo copies etc for what seems like an eternity now.
Would it be better for him to go over there?

He has a Bristish Passport as his Father was British...so they have all had British passpors..also he was not born in South Africa.

Thank You so much and l am sorry if l have hijacked someone else mail.

Regards from ChrissieAnn.

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ChrissieAnn

Who is telling you this?

Also, was your husband born in SA. It sounds from what you are saying that he was. If so, then he must have an ID number. Can you be clearer on what you mean when you say he "doesn't have ID"

When you say "he will have to emigrate", I assume you mean he will have to declare formally to the SA tax authorities that he has emigrated and obtain tax clearance from them for remitting funds. Because if he is living in the UK already, then clearly he has already emigrated from SA.

I don't know your precise details, but if I were you I'd get a competent South African based lawyer or, perhaps even better, a South African tax accountant to act as agent for you in SA on the sale of the property.

Unfortunately, dealing with SA bureaucracy is a nightmare: you can never get clear answers from them, as I'm sure you know.

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Thank You so much for answering.

No..he was born in Zambia...grew up in Zimbabwe and moved to South Africa where he stayed and worked for 15 years before coming here in 2000. He had the pink form...but never got around to having the new I.D. cards...although he was allowed to buy a flat as it said "permanent Resident) in his passport.

WE stumped by the whole thing??????????? and are anxious to see the back of it all.

We got married in 2002 and he moved in to my (now our) property which l would have considered him (Emmigrated) as well.
He has been asked even to provide the details of who he bought the flar from initially...which l thing will be on his (Deeds).

If l found out anymore..l will let you know. Thanks so much from ChrissieAnn.

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Hi,

Does your husband still have family in SA. My husband gave his mother power of attorney with regards to selling the property.

When it came to sending the funds of the sale to our account in the UK that is when we also encountered obstacles. We never formally emigrated and still had a SA bank account. We had no bank cards tho' as these had all expired and SA bank"s will not post them overseas, so we could not use a credit card and access the money.
What we did was apply for tax clearance - we filled in the forms which we downloaded from the Receiver of Revenues website and emailed these back to them. It is meant to take a few days to get tax clearance but it probably took a few weeks.
After that we contacted a financial advisor we knew and he organised to send the funds over to us (South Africans are allowed to send a certain amount of money overseas to invest). He filled in all the forms for us and just e mailed forms to us that we needed to sign. Financial advisors know exactly what has to be done which was a great help.
We were going to fly to SA and bring the money out as spending money but when you go to the bank to apply for this you have to show a return air ticket so that would not have worked for us.
What you could also do is phone the SA Receiver of Revenue to ask for advice, I know, I know, I also did not even expect the phone to be answered, BUT both times I phoned I spoke to 2 people who were exceptionally helpful and nice.
If he has noone in SA to help with the sale of the house prehaps he could speak to the estate agents and ask their advice as they must have a lot of people overseas selling their investment properties while not actually being there.

Hope this helps.

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Hello Pablo,

I don't have the ID book, as I have never applied for one, but on my SA drivers licence is printed my ID number.

I probably will go to H.A. and apply for the book on my next visit to S.A.


'vette

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My husband is a south African resident (permanent). He has lived here in the uk for 9 years.
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He may have lost his 'right to P.R. in S.A.' if he has not been returning regular.

It is easy to lose your P.R. if you are out of SA for more than 3 years.
It used to be 5 years up until about 2002.

'vette

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As I understood it removal of funds, eg, sale of a property.

If you brought into SA a sum of say R500,000
then that is what you can take out, tax free.
Over and above the R500,000 will be taxed.


'vette

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I would really like to thank you all for the info. By brother-in-law is actually on the case right now as he is a businessman in South Africa.
We did call the revenue place and as said...found them to be the most helpful we could ever have expected.
We are goiing to pass over "power-of Attorney" for my brother-in-law to do what he can and after speaking with him only a short while ago he is hopeful he can get things sorted for us.
We did not know he lost his P.Residence after a certain amount of years...new to us all. Thanks so much and l wont just be moving on..l will come back and tell you what has happened and how we have progressed.

Thanks so much for your help...l cant believe how helpful and friendly people are to thoise they do not even know.
Gratitude forever for putting us in the right direction...we are just waiting for the Tax Clearance forms to be sent vis email and we have to sign to give power of attorny and hopefully he can deal with it from then on. He has also found out my hubbys tax number as he used to be paye...and the powers that be want to know was his Bond (mortgage) paid out of his wages...not having his tax number we could not verify that...but we are getting so much help.
Before today my hands have been shaking constantly as we never knew what was coming next.
Thanks again...loadsa love from ChrissieAnn x x x

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Hello Chrssie,

I only know about losing PR by my own mistake.:o

The procedure for getting PR back is more difficult that getting it in the first place.:eek:
Almost like they are 'teaching you a lesson':thumbdown:
It took me several years to regain my PR.:thumbup:

Also, here is another thing you may want to consider.
When a SA person comes to the UK, with the object of becomming a UK citizen, before you accept UK citizenship, you should apply in SA for a 'SA citizenship retention':blink:

It happened to my son, through ignorance.
He became a UK citizen,, and unknowingly, lost his SA citizenship.
Even though he was born and raised in Cape Town, with SA passport and ID.
Now when he returns to SA, he will have to go through the citezenship procedure to get back his SA citizenship.

We actually thought it was rather funny, as he is the most South African out of all of us !:D:D


'vette

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What strange laws they have? We never heard of this and l dont think my brother-in-law has either.
Yeah..l can see that...like trying to teach you a lesson?

My hubby not bothered about his PR at all.

The thing they dont like in South Africa is you trying to take your own money out of the country...dont know where that money is suppsed to go..although l have my suspicions?

Thanks so much Y Vette...kindest regards from ChrissieAnn. x