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Old Dec 20th 2017, 12:19 am   #16
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... Looking at her gas bill the distributor is charging her €5 a cubic meter which by my sums makes that about 50 cents a kW vs 20 cents or so for electricity. Natural gas in the UK is more like 5p a kWh. ...
1 cubic metre = 1.89 kgs of LPG and 1 kg of LPG = 13.6 kWh approx.

Therefore 1 cubic metre = 25.7 kWh, which costs 5€, or 0,20€ per kWh - approximately the same as electricity.

More expensive than mains natural gas in the UK but perhaps not quite as bad as you first thought?
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Old Dec 20th 2017, 7:00 am   #17
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Point taken. So where do Lisbon and Porto get their gas from where they can charge 5c a kW and in the Algarve it’s 10x the price? No Russian pipelines to Lisbon or Porto.
Probably shipped in by gas tankers or via a pipeline from Morocco to Spain.

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Old Dec 20th 2017, 7:47 am   #18
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Probably shipped in by gas tankers or via a pipeline from Morocco to Spain.
Exactly (and the mains network in Portugal isn't only "up north". It just excludes the Algarve (or bottom ) for the time being. The north starts where the centre finishes - at about Aveiro).

Here's a map of the existing network.

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Old Dec 20th 2017, 9:57 am   #19
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1 cubic metre = 1.89 kgs of LPG and 1 kg of LPG = 13.6 kWh approx.

Therefore 1 cubic metre = 25.7 kWh, which costs 5€, or 0,20€ per kWh - approximately the same as electricity.

More expensive than mains natural gas in the UK but perhaps not quite as bad as you first thought?
But you are comparing apples with pears, lpg is about 3 times the calorific value of natural gas, 3 times more bang per buck. The actual gas in lpg is a mix, they manage its calorific value.

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But you are comparing apples with pears, lpg is about 3 times the calorific value of natural gas, 3 times more bang per buck. The actual gas in lpg is a mix, they manage its calorific value. ...
I compared cost per kWh, so apples with apples.
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To rub salt in the wounds, if you check the Galp website for natural gas pricing, where it’s available, only up north, they show prices similar to the UK. So no wonder portuguese houses are so cold, no-one can afford to heat them. If Portugal had a nationwide natural gas system a lot more people could afford to heat their homes but I guess that will never happen.
They started putting a pipe system in place years ago around the Alcobaça area to service some off the Ceramic Factories , & then it all stooped ???

A new house was built up the hill behind my place, it's serviced by a dirt road ,& how they got permission for it is any ones guess

But ,They had too by Law have a Gas Meter built into the boundary wall & a special gas pipe inside a another pipe to protect it that ended up where a boiler could / would be situated inside the house.

Fact :- this house is just under a kilometre from a tarmac road & as there is no obvious plan in sight to bring mains Gas even to the nearest village, its obvious this is just another useless expense !

+ They also by Law had to have 2 PT Telephone jack's in each & every room ,except the bathrooms, this cost them 540.00.
The wireless coverage in this area is second to none !!!!
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