EMR

As expected there will be little if any change in the fortunes and living conditions of the Portuguese.
Governments may change but little else does..

Ingles

If the prediction in this article is correct , & trying not to be boring!
Everything changes, & personal I feel chaos will insure
+ Everybody will be affected !


Portugal risks becoming 'ungovernable' as conservative government set to collapse after just 11 days - Telegraph

EMR

This is the same paper that was referred to in the first post on this thread.Accuracy is not one of its trademarks.

Ingles

Try this one, but then again, you probably consider this inaccurate

"Isso deve -se ao facto de que estão em curso mundaças as profundas no system poltico e âte mundaças de regime"

Sums up the complete article


Rupturas e desconhecido - PÚBLICO

Red Eric

A very good article that, Ingles. I'd say it perfectly sums up the current situation and funnily enough it confirms exactly what I've said about the current political orientations of the centre parties and the reason for the PS being open to negotiations with the other left parties. We are indeed witnessing a landmark moment in Portuguese politics.

Written by someone whose opinion EMR ought to have every respect for as she fits all the relevant criteria, viz
Interesting points about EU policy in relation to Portuguese politics in that article, too.

Ingles

As expected the "Left Block" have finally come to a agreement !

Governo - PS admite assinar dois acordos: um com Bloco e outro com PCP - Portugal - DN

GeniB

Lets wait and see what happens when they get their various hands on the throne then. As S&P have already threatened to downgrade the UK if they leave the EU (and noone seems to have batted an eye on that one?) what will they make of this?

Red Eric

They aren't looking to get their various hands on the throne - they're (still) looking for an agreement or two agreements which allow the PS to govern. The other parties don't want their politicians in ministerial or secretary of state positions.

Why would S&P downgrade Portugal? Portugal isn't holding a referendum, nor threatening to leave the EU or the Eurozone. In fact, not only that but Costa has publicly stated on a number of occasions that a PS government would stick to all its exisiting international commitments, including those relating to debt and budget deficits. So what will S&P make of what, exactly?

They might, on the other hand, take a rather dim view of a government clearly without the ability to get the required support in parliament being put back in as a caretaker government with no budget. Or even a different government nominated by the President under those same restrictions.

I guess we'll see fairly shortly how committed Cavaco is to the concepts he previously cited as crucial - stability, consensus and market confidence chief amongst them - and how far he is prepared to go in order simply to keep out a government he doesn't like the idea of. This time next week, provided that or those final agreement(s) have been thrashed out, he'll be squarely sat on the horns of a very interesting dilemma.

EMR

If Costa is not going to change Portugals existing agreements ref the troika then whaf is he going to do .?
As I have asked before what uf any difference will the average Portuguese see in their lifestyle.
If Costa does not come up with anything then he too faces an uncertain future.

Troia

One of the parameters of the current situation regarding the left possible coalition being able to vote against the orçamento de estado (state budget) or making a vote of no-confidence in the PSD+CDS actual gov, thus causing it to fall leading to new elections is that traditionally the PT have the tendency to punish (in the votes) the parties that caused instability and gov. to fall.

That has happened in the late 80's when a new promising social democratic party (PRD) arouse in the political arena got more than 20% of the votation and, in a attempt to milk the cow even further emitted a non-confidence vote to the PS (then in government) which caused the gov. to fall. New ellections where evoked (just what PRD wanted).

Guess what, PRD loose big time and was swept forever from the PT political arena by the angry PT voters. PS retuned triumphant

At this moment PS, Bloco and PC are vary worried about this PRD effect

Ingles

Hi.EMR :- Just for you, I have enclosed this link which will open the PS's Election Manifesto.
You seem so very interested as too what Sr.Costa intends to do IF his party takes power.
I respectfully suggest you read it very carefully before you make any more comments over changes in the average Portuguese's lifestyle.



Guião do programa eleitoral do PS em nove passos - Observador

EMR

The manifesto gets a party elected, very few when in power particularly in a fragile coalition are able to carry it out.
That is the reality of politics.

Ingles

As usual your so wrong, If the "Left Block" forms a Government ,with the PS holding the PM Post ,there will then have a MAJORITY in the Chamber !
And you can be assured ,it will not be a fragile coalition.

Your reply ,is like a lot off your post BS

EMR

Just look at the history of any coalition, including that of the UK.
Coalition means compromise.
Why do you think it will be any difference this time.?

Pulaski

The compromise is between the positions of the two parties, so obviously the Conservatives and Liberals were never going to agree on much, but when you have two parties with broadly similar positions there isn't going to need to be as much compromise and potentially much more will get done. .... Or they'll just squabble, which is what usually happens in Italy.