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Old Dec 14th 2017, 12:30 pm   #31
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Firstly, you need to re-read the referendum question. It was simply about leaving the EU. It made no mention of what new arrangement Britain should seek. Brexitters are now twisting it, and using it to justify things that are simply not there and never were. Read it again. Carefully.

Johnson, Gove, Farage - they all frequently cited Switzerland and Norway during the campaign as successful countries outside the EU. Countries that are of course inside the single market and customs union. So it seems entirely reasonable to assume that at least some of those voting brexit wanted a soft-brexit. And yet now, the headbangers are twisting it, and arguing that everyone who voted brexit did so with the desire to go full tilt hard brexit with WTO rules. Sorry, but that is simply not the case.

And so, what kind of brexit should it be, and who gets to decide that? A small group of ministers hand picked by a PM who (in case you forget) went to the polls for a mandate to negotiate the deal she wanted, and was humiliated, losing her majority and having to do a seedy deal with bowler-hatted racists and terrorist sympathizers from Northern Ireland to stay in power? Or the full British parliament, sovereign, and holding a new mandate since the brexit vote to formulate what kind of deal should be instituted?

These MPs you suggest are 'thwarting the will of the electorate expressed in a vote'... are doing no such thing. They're not voting to cancel brexit, and you know it. You're simply using a referendum result to demand they act as a rubber stamp for a government teetering on collapse because the public in a general election stripped it of its majority over it's brexit direction, which it seems bent on pursuing regardless.
Good point that there were a variety of reasons people voted for the simply- worded referendum. If one discounts those who wanted to remain and the variety of viewpoints between those who voted for Brexit, whether soft or hard Brexit, in the end no majority for one clear path.
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Well I have been in business situations where the other side acted crazy or so unreasonable to try to were one down to finally agree to something just to move on. I doubt this is the case, but trying to find a logical reason for the inane process that is happening is not easy.

Still waiting to hear any rational reason Brexit will result in better economic growth for Britain, or more opportunities for young people, or the NHS. There may be one but after a few months trying to learn from discussions on Brexit, haven't heard one yet.
Yes, morpeth... I've come across the 'crazy ivan' stratagem too, the only trouble with it as you know, is that you can only use it once. To carry on with this on an irrationality basis will fail, as the other side (that's 27 of them) will simply treat it with (more?) derision.
IMO, The only opportunity here is for Trump, when he's an ex-pres. & his mates in the US health corporations....
HAD the UK voted to remain any privatisation of a member's state's public services would have been subject to challenge both domestically AND by the EU; - especially when the end purchasers could be a non-EU state. But post 2019, that major hurdle disappears leaving only the UK parliament to rubber-stamp the deal and that extra £350 million a week to start going to the likes of US Health Corp.....
Creatures like Trump & his ilk only come out when they smell a profit, and here's a giant one. the NHS is still Europe's largest employer, with a drugs bill the size of many smaller nations' GDP.
See behind the 'crazy strategy'???
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Old Dec 14th 2017, 3:34 pm   #33
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Yes, morpeth... I've come across the 'crazy ivan' stratagem too, the only trouble with it as you know, is that you can only use it once. To carry on with this on an irrationality basis will fail, as the other side (that's 27 of them) will simply treat it with (more?) derision.
IMO, The only opportunity here is for Trump, when he's an ex-pres. & his mates in the US health corporations....
HAD the UK voted to remain any privatisation of a member's state's public services would have been subject to challenge both domestically AND by the EU; - especially when the end purchasers could be a non-EU state. But post 2019, that major hurdle disappears leaving only the UK parliament to rubber-stamp the deal and that extra £350 million a week to start going to the likes of US Health Corp.....
Creatures like Trump & his ilk only come out when they smell a profit, and here's a giant one. the NHS is still Europe's largest employer, with a drugs bill the size of many smaller nations' GDP.
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I dont know if the craziness is a strategy or not though it could be.

US spends 16% or so of GDP on health care, Britain 10%. I think instead of farming out NHS services to US companies to try to lower costs, the answer is the reverse : for US to authorize Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement to treatment at NHS facilities as long as costs 15% below USA, and for NHS to deliver as long as revenue produced 20% more than costing currently. NHS gets more funding US lowers costs.
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Breaking news re Ryanair -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42364502

So, no strikes from 20/12 and union recognition at Ryanair.... despite the hot air from their Chief earlier this month.

Any bets on Michael O'leary still being in control in 6 months...?
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I dont know if the craziness is a strategy or not though it could be.

US spends 16% or so of GDP on health care, Britain 10%. I think instead of farming out NHS services to US companies to try to lower costs, the answer is the reverse : for US to authorize Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement to treatment at NHS facilities as long as costs 15% below USA, and for NHS to deliver as long as revenue produced 20% more than costing currently. NHS gets more funding US lowers costs.
Yes, could work it that way...
Another great trade deal.
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Yes, could work it that way...
Another great trade deal.
Well, Brexit meant to generate wonderful new trade deals after all.
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BA bites again....
BA Business Class passenger left covered in bed bug bites | Daily Mail Online
Usual caveats -
This is the DM so treat it as you will, (At least Vigin passengers won't have to read the story)
Maybe the guy didn't select the no-bugs option when booking....
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Daily Express - usual caveat applies
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/90...British-Europe
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UPDATE
Slowly our potential future's outline appears; -
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...netherlands-uk

The relevant extract reads
When the country leaves without a deal it must “fall back” on the minimal World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules for trade. But financial services and aviation fall outside the WTO regime, meaning that after a British no-deal departure both sectors must stop trading with the EU overnight. Between Amsterdam Schiphol airport and London alone there are currently 60 flights a day – one every 15 minutes.

A quick no-prize competition, fellow serfs
Of the two areas, which will the UK concentrate on; -
1. The City of London
2. Aviation

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The Ukrainian Government hopes that the signing of the Common Aviation Area Agreements (CAA) (so-called "open skies") will be unblocked in the near future.

As we know, the signing of the Common Aviation Area Agreements has been blocked since the end of 2013 because of a dispute between Britain and Spain regarding Gibraltar airport status.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-pol...-ministry.html
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