Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
#49
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
I just found this article. Like ann m said, looks like everything's a business these days. Well, at least EPS pays more than minimum wage, unlike McDonald’s and Tim Hortons
The Bank of Canada, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Tim Hortons, McDonald’s, Maple Leaf Foods, the City of Vancouver, the Edmonton Police Service and eateries of various vintages are among the thousands of employers who’ve been approved for accelerated labour market opinions: Their need for foreign workers, they said (and the federal government agreed), was so urgent they required an expedited approval process.
http://globalnews.ca/news/474208/who...-be-surprised/
The Bank of Canada, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Tim Hortons, McDonald’s, Maple Leaf Foods, the City of Vancouver, the Edmonton Police Service and eateries of various vintages are among the thousands of employers who’ve been approved for accelerated labour market opinions: Their need for foreign workers, they said (and the federal government agreed), was so urgent they required an expedited approval process.
http://globalnews.ca/news/474208/who...-be-surprised/
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
Hi Gigi,
I have just read that article, but what it doesn't say is that Police Officers within the Edmonton Police Service have never been hired as a Temporary Foreign Worker. The rules regarding the hiring of Police officers are mandated and can only be either Permanent Residents or Canadian Citizens.
In relation to a previous post on this thread, Policing in the US is a completely different ballgame to Policing in Canada, in respect of legislation and policy. In defence of the UK system, Policing in respect of legislation and policy is comparable, with a lot of Canadian Law being based on UK Common Law.
I'm not here to say, where is the best place to recruit from, I am simply saying we as a Police Service, as well as other Canadian Police Services need a structured plan to deal with a National decline in applicants.
Nigel
I have just read that article, but what it doesn't say is that Police Officers within the Edmonton Police Service have never been hired as a Temporary Foreign Worker. The rules regarding the hiring of Police officers are mandated and can only be either Permanent Residents or Canadian Citizens.
In relation to a previous post on this thread, Policing in the US is a completely different ballgame to Policing in Canada, in respect of legislation and policy. In defence of the UK system, Policing in respect of legislation and policy is comparable, with a lot of Canadian Law being based on UK Common Law.
I'm not here to say, where is the best place to recruit from, I am simply saying we as a Police Service, as well as other Canadian Police Services need a structured plan to deal with a National decline in applicants.
Nigel
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
But as far as I remember only EPS and SCBCTAPS thought their standards are high enough that they needed to go to the UK ...
Last edited by gigi69; Apr 9th 2014 at 8:26 pm.
#52
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
Hi,
I think the RAND Corporation who compiled a report on recruitment and retention for North American Police Agencies as well as a report compiled by the Canadian Police Sector Council would disagree with you.
I'm not making any of this up, these are actual reports compiled with research. To further back up those comments, we see it on a day to day basis.
I will say no more on the subject, like i said, I'm not here to say where is the best place to recruit from. I'm merely saying we need to "think outside the box".
Kind Regards
Nigel
I think the RAND Corporation who compiled a report on recruitment and retention for North American Police Agencies as well as a report compiled by the Canadian Police Sector Council would disagree with you.
I'm not making any of this up, these are actual reports compiled with research. To further back up those comments, we see it on a day to day basis.
I will say no more on the subject, like i said, I'm not here to say where is the best place to recruit from. I'm merely saying we need to "think outside the box".
Kind Regards
Nigel
#53
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
If this is the one, I only see Canada mentioned in the bibliography (I admit I didn't read all 90 pages, I only did a keyword search)
Plus, you can't compare policing in the US with policing in Canada. Their job is way more dangerous and they get paid less, of course they'll have retention and hiring problems ... policing in Edmonton is a walk in the park compared to LA, NY or Detroit.
Here you have some links
http://www.joinlapd.com/salary.html
http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview
compare to http://www.joineps.ca/WhyEPS/Salary.aspx
As for the Canadian Police Sector Council report, could you please provide a link to it ? I didn't know which one to pick from here http://www.policecouncil.ca/?page_id=2494
I also have some first hand stories from people deferred for stuff like not declaring a purse at the border or smoking a joint with some friends at a party, even though their past was probably cleaner than some of your present colleagues ...
But in the end this discussion is moot, my opinions won't change a thing, and you have to defend the actions of your employer.
Best wishes !
#54
Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
I just found this article. Like ann m said, looks like everything's a business these days. Well, at least EPS pays more than minimum wage, unlike McDonald’s and Tim Hortons
The Bank of Canada, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Tim Hortons, McDonald’s, Maple Leaf Foods, the City of Vancouver, the Edmonton Police Service and eateries of various vintages are among the thousands of employers who’ve been approved for accelerated labour market opinions: Their need for foreign workers, they said (and the federal government agreed), was so urgent they required an expedited approval process.
http://globalnews.ca/news/474208/who...-be-surprised/
The Bank of Canada, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Tim Hortons, McDonald’s, Maple Leaf Foods, the City of Vancouver, the Edmonton Police Service and eateries of various vintages are among the thousands of employers who’ve been approved for accelerated labour market opinions: Their need for foreign workers, they said (and the federal government agreed), was so urgent they required an expedited approval process.
http://globalnews.ca/news/474208/who...-be-surprised/
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ps : August 2013 wasn't that far away, at least not by my standards
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
Looks like that old and completely out of date article is not so old and completely out of date after all ...
McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tion-1.2607365
Maybe McDonald's should go to the UK on a hiring spree
McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tion-1.2607365
Maybe McDonald's should go to the UK on a hiring spree
#57
Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
Looks like that old and completely out of date article is not so old and completely out of date after all ...
McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tion-1.2607365
Maybe McDonald's should go to the UK on a hiring spree
McDonald's foreign worker practices face growing investigation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...tion-1.2607365
Maybe McDonald's should go to the UK on a hiring spree
McDonalds has blanket LMO's in place, as do places like Tim Hortons etc, because they can't find enough Canadians to do minimum wage jobs with crappy shift patterns. It's been that way for a looooong time, but has nothing to do with the police.
I'm confused, but what is the purpose of you posting these articles? You're not a police officer, and it bears absolutely no relevance to this thread about police recruitment anyway, so what's the point?
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Re: Police officer transfer from uk to Canada
Surely the EPS recruitment problems would be over instantly if they were able to recruit people on work visas or as temporary foreign workers?
They would also solve all their recruitment problems if they lowered the standards to allow, say 80% of all applicants to join and simultaneously doubled the starting salary.
But neither of these scenarios is realistic, which puts the police in Western Canada in a difficult position.
They would also solve all their recruitment problems if they lowered the standards to allow, say 80% of all applicants to join and simultaneously doubled the starting salary.
But neither of these scenarios is realistic, which puts the police in Western Canada in a difficult position.
#60
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Erm, let me think. Possibly because you've said so yourself?!
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=48
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=48