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Old Jan 8th 2014, 4:54 pm   #16
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Hi,

No, it's not as easy as that. At the moment from the Canadian perspective, no Police Service within Canada is recruiting internationally. You must hold either Canadian Citizenship or be a Permanent Resident to apply (Citizen for RCMP).

When services like Edmonton Police and Calgary Police were recruiting internationally (When myself and others moved across), it was not a transfer. It was still the complete application process and recruit training, although, pay wise, your previous service was recognized.

Will, the position change? Who knows, but for the moment, unless you pre-qualify (Immigration status wise), Canada is a No.

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Certainly to the US yes it is pretty much impossible, since forces do not and will not pay to sponsor you for a visa, and most require you to hold US Citizenship.

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Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in. Perhaps I will try USA police forces. Will I have any luck? (probably not) but that's life.
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Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in. Perhaps I will try USA police forces. Will I have any luck? (probably not) but that's life.
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See my response above.

Don't fancy Australia?
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You have to remember, it's not just about allowing other international police services to transfer in. It's about National Immigration Policy, providing opportunity for Canadian (US) residents to apply for their own services. Yes, experience is welcomed but Policing here is a different ballgame. I am fortunate to have been given the opportunity to work here, as are others. But, the factors that governed us moving over, were National and Provincial policies, not purely the Service we applied for.

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Hello, I am a police officer with The Metropolitan Police Service. I have a question: is it really that impossible to transfer from uk police forces to places like Canada and the U.S.A?
As said above, you won't get a visa for the US or Canada as a police officer.

However, if you can get yourself Permanent Residency (for Canada) or a green card (for the US) then you can move and apply for jobs. Have a look at the following two Wiki articles to see if you qualify for a visa using another route, such as a spouse's job etc -

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Pulaski's_Ways%3A_How_to_Live_and_Work_in_the_USA

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Quick_...an_Immigration

Failing that, Australia?

HTH. Good luck.
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Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in
Why is it ridiculous? They have enough local talent applying right now. When they don't get enough interest from inside Canada, they might look outside. Same as everywhere else really. :)
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Why is it ridiculous? They have enough local talent applying right now. When they don't get enough interest from inside Canada, they might look outside. Same as everywhere else really.
my thoughts exactly. unfortunately if you have an attitude of entitlement before you even apply you will be unsuccessful, it is a privilege to work and live here, not an entitlement.
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Thanks Nigel, it is ridiculous that Canadian police will recognise ex police service internationally but will not welcome them straight in.
I personally think that even recognising "ex police service internationally" is too much, when a foreign trained specialist comes to Canada they don't get their previous work experience recognised by default, so why should yours be ? Get in the line like every other immigrant and sweat your way through the regular immigration process, you are not that special. Canada is an independent and sovereign state these days, not a UK colony like it used to.
As a Canadian I also find the direct recruitment of foreign trained police officers very disappointing, I simply can't believe that they cannot find well-suited candidates here. Canada is not a thirld world country, after all, and UK is not the golden standard of the world, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
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I personally think that even recognising "ex police service internationally" is too much, when a foreign trained specialist comes to Canada they don't get their previous work experience recognised by default, so why should yours be ? Get in the line like every other immigrant and sweat your way through the regular immigration process, you are not that special. Canada is an independent and sovereign state these days, not a UK colony like it used to.
As a Canadian I also find the direct recruitment of foreign trained police officers very disappointing, I simply can't believe that they cannot find well-suited candidates here. Canada is not a thirld world country, after all, and UK is not the golden standard of the world, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
Haha.............would you like vinegar to go with that chip on your shoulder?????
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Hi all,

Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals. That is the reality of it, like it or not.

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Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals. That is the reality of it, like it or not.
Maybe, but this is not a reason to go look abroad, be it in the UK or in any other country. I've never heard about German, Spanish, French or US police advertising recruitment in foreign countries because they "find it difficult to find good quality applicants" in their own. It's like saying Canadians are mostly a bunch of criminals, that's how I read it.
It's true that in Alberta people are choosing the better paid jobs in the oil fields, but this is not the case in other provinces like Ontario or the Maritimes, plenty of unemployment there, maybe you should look harder there instead of wasting taxpayers' money on trips to the UK. And I'm not the only one who's thinking like this, just read the comments from this article
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tra...929/story.html
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Yes, sometimes.
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Gigi69, I work in recruiting for the Edmonton Police Service, I can tell you, that we as a service, as well as other police services across Canada ARE finding it difficult to find good quality applicants to meet our goals.
I hear you, after seeing how you guys had to settle with people like Rob Furlong and Jack Redlick ... /sarcasm
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I was bored today so I looked into the MET recruitment process. I found something very interesting

from here http://www.ncalt.com/pre-join-mps/index.html
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Are you a British citizen, a citizen of a country that is a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland?

Residency
The MPS must vet all applicants in an equitable manner. We do not currently have the means of facilitating vetting enquiries overseas to the extent required for those who have been resident in the UK. That’s why this is part of our eligibility criteria.
Will you have resided continuously in the UK for the three year period immediately prior to your application to join the MPS (with any absence from the UK being no more than six months during this time)?


If Canada would use the same standards then Nige wouldn't be a policeman in Edmonton today, yet some users (like MetPolice2014) bicker that they can't just hop on a plane and land a job in Canada, including previous service recognition and such.
ps : and let's not forget about all the labour restrictions the UK has imposed on the new EU contries since 2004 ...
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