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Old Sep 28th 2017, 8:19 am   #31
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I can't understand why you are making excuses for him. His words are just obnoxious bullying on any level.
This is supposedly a forum for people going through a tough life changing event and not helped by this sort of intolerant nonsense. There is a word for it and I'm afraid it's nothing short of trolling to get a reaction...and I've fallen for it again. Perhaps the forum could do with a section for people going through the notoriously difficult 6-18 month period, that way Justtroll can avoid it and carry on!
Well said with regards the bullying and I totally agree that perhaps Justcol should avoid any threads from people who have been here less than 18 months πŸ˜„

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Old Sep 28th 2017, 8:25 am   #32
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You have to expect the backlash

Some of the people that live in this country only wan't to hear about how fantastic everything is (they don't need evidence for it, just the assertion will do). They have no interest in how anything can be improved, they live in a bubble and strike out violently at anything that might threaten that bubble.

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One of my friends (who is a Kiwi that has spent time living in China and in Europe) tells me that her mother is one of those. Her mother is adamant that NZ is the greatest place on the planet and will aggressively shout down anyone that is critical of it. Her mother has only ever been abroad once, and that was to Australia for a short holiday, so her Mother's experience of the rest of the planet is somewhat limited but that doesn't stop her.

At a previous employer, a new Director was visiting from an overseas office and gave his introductory presentation to the staff covering the changes he wanted to implement to make improvements. The local staff spoke out to complain that he talked about that and had not praised them for their previous triumphs.

I gave up any hope for these people some time ago.
Thanks Clappy. I love the country and the people so it's frustrating that we're having difficulty with finances etc. We're still battling on and trying to find solutions to the problems, but I appreciate all the views and feedback.
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Old Sep 28th 2017, 8:28 am   #33
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Thank you to everyone for the comments and suggestions even though this wasn't my original thread πŸ˜¬πŸ˜€. I was just giving my view which I thought might be helpful and somehow it turned into something else.
I appreciate all the support and good to know that others have views which aren't all through rose tinted specs! πŸ€“
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Don't wanna be telling you how to suck eggs as I'm sure you're on top of it if outgoings are an issue but have you had a sit down and itemized all your incomings and outgoings to see where you can save ?
Rent will be your highest outgoing I'd expect so have you considered moving to somewhere cheaper, moving in with relatives or building a temporary cottage at a relatives or even getting your own place and paying mortgage etc so at least you're getting something out of it going forward ?
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To be fair, the amount of sick leave you had in the UK was not common. Most would have nothing like those conditions so to throw them up to someone else is silly.
It sounds like you simply didn't do your homework before coming to NZ because there are literally dozens of threads on here and other forums about the cost of living and related costs of life in NZ.
Depends on the company but the one I used to work for had unlimited sick leave, 4 weeks annual leave is pretty standard
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Don't wanna be telling you how to suck eggs as I'm sure you're on top of it if outgoings are an issue but have you had a sit down and itemized all your incomings and outgoings to see where you can save ?
Rent will be your highest outgoing I'd expect so have you considered moving to somewhere cheaper, moving in with relatives or building a temporary cottage at a relatives or even getting your own place and paying mortgage etc so at least you're getting something out of it going forward ?
We’re taking into consideration all aspects, and what we can do to help make it work.
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I work at Tauranga hospital as a nurse.
Have a look on the BOPDHB website for job vacancies.
I really enjoy working at the hospital and recommend it.
Happy to answer any questions πŸ˜€
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OP - New Zealand can be a really tough go, for a lot of the reasons already said - less pay, more work, high cost of living, remoteness and isolation.

The stuff in the tourist brochures looks great but you have to be able to afford it, to take advantage of it. The idea that you may be sacrificing salary but will be making it back through some nebulous concept of "lifestyle" is a naive one. Lifestyle costs $$$ and as others have already discussed there is less of it in NZ. You also won't be working any less than you do in the UK. There is a reason 15% of all New Zealand Citizens live in Australia.

While some forum members have done very well in NZ, posters like MAZ and MrsFrychan are by no means alone or outliers in their New Zealand experiences.

Hopefully you will come and make it, and the locals will be open to you.

But some will also treat you with suspicion and envy because you are an outsider, and delight in trying to haze you into the "Kiwi Way."

If you want to come, come. But watch your money very carefully, and keep a reserve amount set aside that is your "Back to the UK" fund.
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OP - New Zealand can be a really tough go, for a lot of the reasons already said - less pay, more work, high cost of living, remoteness and isolation.

The stuff in the tourist brochures looks great but you have to be able to afford it, to take advantage of it. The idea that you may be sacrificing salary but will be making it back through some nebulous concept of "lifestyle" is a naive one. Lifestyle costs $$$ and as others have already discussed there is less of it in NZ. You also won't be working any less than you do in the UK. There is a reason 15% of all New Zealand Citizens live in Australia.

While some forum members have done very well in NZ, posters like MAZ and MrsFrychan are by no means alone or outliers in their New Zealand experiences.

Hopefully you will come and make it, and the locals will be open to you.

But some will also treat you with suspicion and envy because you are an outsider, and delight in trying to haze you into the "Kiwi Way."

If you want to come, come. But watch your money very carefully, and keep a reserve amount set aside that is your "Back to the UK" fund.
Very well said, thank you.
Knowing both sides and being realistic can only help with a well informed decision. My family are very much in the NZ camp of it being the best place on earth and are making good lives here. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for all. Best of luck to everyone making life changing decisions.
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Carajou, I think its a fallacy to suggest moving to NZ will necessarily mean a drop in pay these days. There are some areas where this is so, but others where it isnt, and still others where NZ salaries are better, nursing being one example. Not saying NZ is better or worse but I know there are plenty of Brits on average salaries able to afford an enjoyable lifestyle here. It isnt a given that there are less $$, or longer work hrs for that matter. Most people would know their likely working conditions and salary before arriving, wouldnt they?
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Most people would know their likely working conditions and salary before arriving, wouldnt they?
You'd think so, but apparently not
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Most people would know their likely working conditions and salary before arriving, wouldnt they?
They might well (hopefully!) know them on paper and they might have done the sums and have an idea about how it will be but nothing compares to the lived experience. You don't know a long, damp, boring winter in a cold house until you've done it a few times. You don't know what it is to miss family and your first culture until it kicks in. Those things can make the employment conditions that you knew about before arriving seem less doable and more stressful.

I feel for you, OP. Hang in there though: it'll either get better or it won't. If it doesn't, be brave and make a new plan.

JustCol has had a lot of support from this forum over the years. I can remember two periods when he wanted to return to the UK and during one of those he was quite negative about NZ and both those times he got so much support! Some folk just have short memories and minimal empathy.
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