#TakeUsWithYouScotland
May 18th 2015, 2:16 pm
#31
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
Some 75% of Scotland’s land mass is under agricultural production, making the industry the single biggest determinant of the landscape we see around us.
May 18th 2015, 3:06 pm
#32
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
agricultural holdings in England 8.98 million hectares
agricultural holdings in Scotland 5.6 million hectares
agricultural holdings in Wales 1.56 million hectares
Source Defra!
agricultural holdings in Scotland 5.6 million hectares
agricultural holdings in Wales 1.56 million hectares
Source Defra!
May 18th 2015, 3:25 pm
#33
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
I think that's unclear.
Right now they have to finance expensive British Foreign Affairs to implement policies that they largely don't agree with. For example NATO nuclear missiles and costly sanctions against the Russian Federation.
I'm not (necessarily) saying those policies are wrong. I'm saying the cost of implementing them falls on people who oppose them. And they are fed up with it.
Right now they have to finance expensive British Foreign Affairs to implement policies that they largely don't agree with. For example NATO nuclear missiles and costly sanctions against the Russian Federation.
I'm not (necessarily) saying those policies are wrong. I'm saying the cost of implementing them falls on people who oppose them. And they are fed up with it.
As to NATO costs, those costs bring a disproportionate number of Scottish jobs, both directly and indirectly.
Really, I've seen little or nothing to suggest that the numbers add up for the SNP to pay for their social programs.
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May 18th 2015, 3:31 pm
#34
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
I'm sure the majority of people in North Yorkshire are happy to remain English and not become part of Scotland. What a load of tosh 
May 18th 2015, 5:59 pm
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
I was wondering if Teresa May would reconsider the refugee boat people situation with the EU so as to have them all shipped into the Highlands
May 21st 2015, 5:09 pm
#36
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
F R E E D O M ! ! ! !
May 21st 2015, 5:54 pm
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
In the light of recent political developments Scottish independence now seems to be more a matter of when (10 years?) rather than if.
And in the further light of the #TakeUsWithYouScotland petition (debated in the House of Commons at 100,000 signatures) folks undecided about where to move to within England might want to give consideration to which side of the line (Dee to Humber) they want to be. Sheffield North of the line and Stoke is South.
And in the further light of the #TakeUsWithYouScotland petition (debated in the House of Commons at 100,000 signatures) folks undecided about where to move to within England might want to give consideration to which side of the line (Dee to Humber) they want to be. Sheffield North of the line and Stoke is South.
) given that there are as many people living in Yorkshire alone as there are in Scotland. All told there must be at least 3-4 times as many people between that hypothetical line and the Scottish border as there are in Scotland. 
May 21st 2015, 6:24 pm
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May 21st 2015, 6:48 pm
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May 21st 2015, 7:02 pm
#41
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
awe come on, not a chance in hell - Scotland without the rest of the UK [include Westminster] is doomed IMO.
Would you like to see another 'referendum, because the first one wasn't the right choice of the Scottish people?
Of course if its not 'freedom', then folks do have choices, one of which is they can always return back to where they were before they expatriated back home or emigrate.
Do you like being back home Dundee, is it what you expected, do you miss anything from where you came from before returning back 'home'?
Would you like to see another 'referendum, because the first one wasn't the right choice of the Scottish people?
Of course if its not 'freedom', then folks do have choices, one of which is they can always return back to where they were before they expatriated back home or emigrate.
Do you like being back home Dundee, is it what you expected, do you miss anything from where you came from before returning back 'home'?
May 21st 2015, 7:06 pm
#42
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
No I dont miss anything from US. one day Scotland will be an independant country and I hope it will be in my lifetime..
May 21st 2015, 7:09 pm
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May 21st 2015, 7:27 pm
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Re: #TakeUsWithYouScotland
not2old,
Scotland is a country of 5 million people where over 50% of the electorate voted to end austerity and to have a different government to the rest of the people of the UK. 94% of the UK parliamentary seats in Scotland are now represented by the SNP.
So while we maybe only 5% of the total vote in the UK its very clear to see the people of Scotland do not share the political will of the rest of the UK. Scotland began its journey to independence in 1999 with the reconvening of the Scottish parliament and with each new power that get devolved we continue to build and assert our own identity. The question of Scottish independence is, in my opinion, not a question of if but when we win our freedom from a political elite and establishment which doesnt represent us, has not political mandate here in Scotland and, much like a famous tea party in the USA a few centuries ago, taxes us for policies and activities we do not condone or wish to be apart of.
The general Scottish mindset is more welcoming to immigrants than that of England who seem to be obsessed that immigrants have a negative impact on their society and economy - hence the rise of UKIP and the Conservative far right. Infact Immigrants add to the economy far more than they take away and that's why the scottish whitepaper on independence was in favor of a more progressive immigration policy.
As for the referendum, well thats past and we lost. I think partly due to a very biased media and because we were not able to answer the economic case sufficiently for many people. Now we work for more economic freedom from the south east obsessed policies of Westminster so that when the time is right we can hold another referendum of the people of Scotland.
More than happy to debate, sensibly, with you or any other member of this community on this topic but I will not get into a mud throwing contest.
Scotland is a country of 5 million people where over 50% of the electorate voted to end austerity and to have a different government to the rest of the people of the UK. 94% of the UK parliamentary seats in Scotland are now represented by the SNP.
So while we maybe only 5% of the total vote in the UK its very clear to see the people of Scotland do not share the political will of the rest of the UK. Scotland began its journey to independence in 1999 with the reconvening of the Scottish parliament and with each new power that get devolved we continue to build and assert our own identity. The question of Scottish independence is, in my opinion, not a question of if but when we win our freedom from a political elite and establishment which doesnt represent us, has not political mandate here in Scotland and, much like a famous tea party in the USA a few centuries ago, taxes us for policies and activities we do not condone or wish to be apart of.
The general Scottish mindset is more welcoming to immigrants than that of England who seem to be obsessed that immigrants have a negative impact on their society and economy - hence the rise of UKIP and the Conservative far right. Infact Immigrants add to the economy far more than they take away and that's why the scottish whitepaper on independence was in favor of a more progressive immigration policy.
As for the referendum, well thats past and we lost. I think partly due to a very biased media and because we were not able to answer the economic case sufficiently for many people. Now we work for more economic freedom from the south east obsessed policies of Westminster so that when the time is right we can hold another referendum of the people of Scotland.
More than happy to debate, sensibly, with you or any other member of this community on this topic but I will not get into a mud throwing contest.