Richard8655

Generally true but not exactly accurate and missing some details. Yes, the UK is not part of Schengen which allows the UK to check and screen EU citizens coming to the UK at the border. Schengen eliminated that requirement between Schengen signatories, namely passports no longer necessary.

However, due to EU rules on free movement of people, the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members who desire settlement. That is not part of Schengen. This will now cease with Brexit.

So Brexit most certainly applies in terms of voter motivation in seeking to control, reduce, and/or eliminate EU freedom of movement rules to the UK.

Yes, I mentioned visiting but meant movement of any kind between EU and UK as the motivation.

BritInParis

The continuance of freedom of movement will depend entirely on the negotiated settlement between the UK and the EU. It won't necessary end with Brexit but I agree it is unlikely to continue in its current form.

That the ending of freedom of movement of labour was a major factor in many people's minds when they voted to leave the EU is not disputed.

I thought you were implying that Brexit would lead to the UK being penalised under ETIAS if it were implemented.

My point was that as the UK would not have been part of the Schengen Area regardless of the result of the referendum then the EU would have needed to apply the same rules to the UK as to other non-visa national countries or made an exception for the UK. This could still be negotiated as it would not make sense to penalise British tourists wishing to visit the EU and EU tourists visiting the UK. The ability to live and work without restriction is what will be negotiated.

Richard8655

Yes, exactly, the first was my point. The 2nd was not my intention. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my post.

J.JsOH

Well worth it to be out, in my opinion. (I travel through Europe often and would be glad to pay if it means the EU doesn't rule Brittania)

Richard8655

I can see both sides of the decision. The one point I'd add is the EU invested quite a bit in UK infrastructure, especially in rural areas that normally would not have received national funding for improvements (roads, airports, bridges, etc.).

I don't see it as being ruled but more as when cooperating together we're all stronger.

Bermudashorts

Why worry about something that has not happened and frankly is very unlikely to happen. Britain has a special relationship with Ireland that predates any European arrangement.

And not for one second do I think any European country will be demanding visas from UK nationals anyway. Just more silly scaremongering and Project Fear nonsense.

BristolUK

What would be the point of that? It's too late to influence the referendum now.

If it was scaremongering to influence the vote they'd have done the same as the Remain people who readily admitted their 350 million lies once the damage was done.

At least some folk stayed to talk about it rather than

mikelincs

It was the leave people who lied about the 350 million, not the remain.

scot47

Just a question of time before EU states do a cost-benefit analysis and charge those on weekend stag parties £200 for a visa. More trouble than they are worth !

BristolUK

Oops

Point still made though...I hope.